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		<title>By: Obama&#8217;s Small Town Values - Not &#124; Front Porch Republic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obama&#8217;s Small Town Values - Not &#124; Front Porch Republic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] his argument on behalf of investments in education in science and technology. As I’ve discussed elsewhere, Obama framed this discussion as an appeal for Americans to begin “making things” again – to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hans Noeldner</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/04/april-15/#comment-1421</link>
		<dc:creator>Hans Noeldner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Patrick for another thoughtful post.  In recent months I too find myself sinking into depression at the trajectory of events.  Perhaps coming to grips with the fact that the human race is doomed is no less necessary for spiritual growth than coming to grips with one&#039;s own mortality.

Perhaps I am finally glimpsing the meaning of the word &quot;tragedy&quot;.  Not merely in a sense like Kunstler means when he says suburbia represents &quot;the greatest misallocation of resources in the history of the world&quot;, but that one may be able to see - in slow motion - the process by which humankind is obdurately destroying its worldly future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Patrick for another thoughtful post.  In recent months I too find myself sinking into depression at the trajectory of events.  Perhaps coming to grips with the fact that the human race is doomed is no less necessary for spiritual growth than coming to grips with one&#8217;s own mortality.</p>
<p>Perhaps I am finally glimpsing the meaning of the word &#8220;tragedy&#8221;.  Not merely in a sense like Kunstler means when he says suburbia represents &#8220;the greatest misallocation of resources in the history of the world&#8221;, but that one may be able to see &#8211; in slow motion &#8211; the process by which humankind is obdurately destroying its worldly future.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Keck</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/04/april-15/#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Keck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots to think about here, but I have to go shopping.  I was just put onto this site a few days ago.  this is the first article I&#039;ve read.  Looks like I have some cathcing up to do.  I may evenhave to cancel a shoping trip!  Seeriously, we have all managed to acquire lots of goodies and bigger houses than we reallly need.  How do we live out repentance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots to think about here, but I have to go shopping.  I was just put onto this site a few days ago.  this is the first article I&#8217;ve read.  Looks like I have some cathcing up to do.  I may evenhave to cancel a shoping trip!  Seeriously, we have all managed to acquire lots of goodies and bigger houses than we reallly need.  How do we live out repentance?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Cooney</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/04/april-15/#comment-1352</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Cooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This might be a strange response to your masterful essay, but it would seem that one way to achieve true liberty (in the old sense of that word) and to opt out of a mindless economic system, would be to &quot;sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.&quot;

In other words, wouldn&#039;t it make sense for the president of Georgetown, considering the lack of good, rewarding jobs, to encourage students and young people to become monks, nuns, and priests?  God knows we need them.  It seems like a better alternative to shopping, climbing the corporate ladder, or being a lifetime government bureaucrat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might be a strange response to your masterful essay, but it would seem that one way to achieve true liberty (in the old sense of that word) and to opt out of a mindless economic system, would be to &#8220;sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, wouldn&#8217;t it make sense for the president of Georgetown, considering the lack of good, rewarding jobs, to encourage students and young people to become monks, nuns, and priests?  God knows we need them.  It seems like a better alternative to shopping, climbing the corporate ladder, or being a lifetime government bureaucrat.</p>
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		<title>By: D.W. Sabin</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/04/april-15/#comment-1350</link>
		<dc:creator>D.W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politics has always been an industry whose chief occupation has been bullsh#* in service to the keeper of the gold. Now that it has dispensed with the sordid charms of gold and has that wonderful ability to create reality by fiat, well...it is simply an industry whose chief occupation is bullsh*# in service to bullsh*#. Expecting otherwise is a job for the auto-sadist. Reserve Currency Status is the new Viagra and Statism is it&#039;s favorite pornography.

When Ashcroft was holding forth about legal issues affecting the nation, he had a blue shroud placed over the statue of Justice because he did not like the idea of a breast hovering over his head. After all, the statue did not speak to him of anything other than nakedness. Allegorical tales are for sissified thinkers, not doers who boldly create reality out of a mirage. When Colin Powell appeared at the U.N. to pitch his Administration&#039;s reason for going to war against a nation that did not attack us, they covered the painting of Guernica...Picasso&#039;s depiction of the screaming horrors of modern technological war.... with a shroud because it would not do to have this depressing evocation of bombing sully our finely crafted bit of political theatre in support of bombing. Now we have the President, an Executive who has been holding a very public shopping for a place of worship in his new home, well..he shrouds any Christian symbol for fear of offending somebody. It might not have been him...it might have been his many handlers, the stage-managers of the modern Presidency....crafters of poll-savvy artifice. We shroud things we either do not wish to exist, or are afraid might be interpreted in ways we cannot control. Aside from debt, the fastest growing element of our government is secrecy. Perception control is the new liberty.

We have been given a world class lesson in &quot;what not to do&quot; and so there is a perfect opportunity for reinvention and redirection here but it is not in the cards because Washington D.C. is Washington D.C. Occupied Territory. It is as though we are now a vassal state to some remote and incomprehensible power that cares nothing for either the citizen or the land because it is engaged in some kind of foolhardy adventure in everyplace but where it should be. Change is now simply a new face. We have a choice to do this the easy-hard way or the hard-hard way and it seems we&#039;re going double-barrel hard.
Let us load the gun, spin the chamber and heave a sigh of relief that the snap of the trigger is quiet this time.

That said, a climate of desperation and stymied inaction is only natural but at this juncture, it should be pedal to the metal because the edifice is about to fly part under the whirlwind pressure of it&#039;s own spinning lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politics has always been an industry whose chief occupation has been bullsh#* in service to the keeper of the gold. Now that it has dispensed with the sordid charms of gold and has that wonderful ability to create reality by fiat, well&#8230;it is simply an industry whose chief occupation is bullsh*# in service to bullsh*#. Expecting otherwise is a job for the auto-sadist. Reserve Currency Status is the new Viagra and Statism is it&#8217;s favorite pornography.</p>
<p>When Ashcroft was holding forth about legal issues affecting the nation, he had a blue shroud placed over the statue of Justice because he did not like the idea of a breast hovering over his head. After all, the statue did not speak to him of anything other than nakedness. Allegorical tales are for sissified thinkers, not doers who boldly create reality out of a mirage. When Colin Powell appeared at the U.N. to pitch his Administration&#8217;s reason for going to war against a nation that did not attack us, they covered the painting of Guernica&#8230;Picasso&#8217;s depiction of the screaming horrors of modern technological war&#8230;. with a shroud because it would not do to have this depressing evocation of bombing sully our finely crafted bit of political theatre in support of bombing. Now we have the President, an Executive who has been holding a very public shopping for a place of worship in his new home, well..he shrouds any Christian symbol for fear of offending somebody. It might not have been him&#8230;it might have been his many handlers, the stage-managers of the modern Presidency&#8230;.crafters of poll-savvy artifice. We shroud things we either do not wish to exist, or are afraid might be interpreted in ways we cannot control. Aside from debt, the fastest growing element of our government is secrecy. Perception control is the new liberty.</p>
<p>We have been given a world class lesson in &#8220;what not to do&#8221; and so there is a perfect opportunity for reinvention and redirection here but it is not in the cards because Washington D.C. is Washington D.C. Occupied Territory. It is as though we are now a vassal state to some remote and incomprehensible power that cares nothing for either the citizen or the land because it is engaged in some kind of foolhardy adventure in everyplace but where it should be. Change is now simply a new face. We have a choice to do this the easy-hard way or the hard-hard way and it seems we&#8217;re going double-barrel hard.<br />
Let us load the gun, spin the chamber and heave a sigh of relief that the snap of the trigger is quiet this time.</p>
<p>That said, a climate of desperation and stymied inaction is only natural but at this juncture, it should be pedal to the metal because the edifice is about to fly part under the whirlwind pressure of it&#8217;s own spinning lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Myers</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/04/april-15/#comment-1343</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One wishes Deneen himself had ginned up a grassroots political movement to run for President during his sabattical.  Not that his ideas are intrinsically practical.  Rather, so that there would finally be someone intellectually and morally pure enough running.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One wishes Deneen himself had ginned up a grassroots political movement to run for President during his sabattical.  Not that his ideas are intrinsically practical.  Rather, so that there would finally be someone intellectually and morally pure enough running.</p>
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		<title>By: ms</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are the most thoughtful conservative out there. I appreciate how well you articulate how we got here and  the problems that face us.  I don&#039;t think there is necessarily so much cause for dispair though.  I guess there is a world out there such as you describe, but most of the people I know do not live to shop.  We all have to do some shopping in order to live, of course, but more important things give our lives meaning--families, church, music. When I talk with my friends, it is not about the latest thing we have purchased but about our children, events in our church community, what we believe, our gardens, cooking.  I sing with a community choir, and trust me, the people I sing with care much more about making beautiful music than shopping.   And in spite of the silliness of current national policy, I don&#039;t think people are necessarily taken in by it. This is why people are saving money again--they recognize that things have changed. I personally think the local, smaller economy you long for is inevitable, but it takes time for such changes to occur.  But things are changing.  The busiest market I patronize is the local Middle-Eastern produce market run by a family here in town, not the chain across the street.  I will admit to being very disturbed by the recent attacks on Christians, especially since I live here in California.  I too have been alarmed as time has passed at the more and more strident voices insisting that whatever sexual thing anyone wants to do is fine and dandy and should be given a public stamp of approval. But I have faith in those very people--my friends--and I think there are many of us across the country--who care about things that really matter and will fight for our local communities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are the most thoughtful conservative out there. I appreciate how well you articulate how we got here and  the problems that face us.  I don&#8217;t think there is necessarily so much cause for dispair though.  I guess there is a world out there such as you describe, but most of the people I know do not live to shop.  We all have to do some shopping in order to live, of course, but more important things give our lives meaning&#8211;families, church, music. When I talk with my friends, it is not about the latest thing we have purchased but about our children, events in our church community, what we believe, our gardens, cooking.  I sing with a community choir, and trust me, the people I sing with care much more about making beautiful music than shopping.   And in spite of the silliness of current national policy, I don&#8217;t think people are necessarily taken in by it. This is why people are saving money again&#8211;they recognize that things have changed. I personally think the local, smaller economy you long for is inevitable, but it takes time for such changes to occur.  But things are changing.  The busiest market I patronize is the local Middle-Eastern produce market run by a family here in town, not the chain across the street.  I will admit to being very disturbed by the recent attacks on Christians, especially since I live here in California.  I too have been alarmed as time has passed at the more and more strident voices insisting that whatever sexual thing anyone wants to do is fine and dandy and should be given a public stamp of approval. But I have faith in those very people&#8211;my friends&#8211;and I think there are many of us across the country&#8211;who care about things that really matter and will fight for our local communities.</p>
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		<title>By: Jared</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/04/april-15/#comment-1340</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick,

As a conservative Christian student, I was interested in your piece.  Traditional conservative economic values are still based on the consumerism you seem to denigrate, simply removing big government shackles and letting the economy work its own magic, still providing for the materialistic attitude of the populace while using incentives to do so--only better.

Reading through your article reminded me of other pieces concerning the &quot;rustic beauty&quot; of pre-industrial life, etc.  My question is this: what do you think is the individual responsibility of a moral-thinking person in this world?  Is it to acquire these goods the best he can and then use them to make an impact in the world around us?  Is it to find a &quot;blue collar&quot; job that isn&#039;t the high-powered, consumer-driven position that modern Americans pursue?

Thanks!  I really enjoyed reading this, and I&#039;m interested in hearing your thoughts on the much more difficult &quot;so what?&quot; and &quot;what next?&quot; questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick,</p>
<p>As a conservative Christian student, I was interested in your piece.  Traditional conservative economic values are still based on the consumerism you seem to denigrate, simply removing big government shackles and letting the economy work its own magic, still providing for the materialistic attitude of the populace while using incentives to do so&#8211;only better.</p>
<p>Reading through your article reminded me of other pieces concerning the &#8220;rustic beauty&#8221; of pre-industrial life, etc.  My question is this: what do you think is the individual responsibility of a moral-thinking person in this world?  Is it to acquire these goods the best he can and then use them to make an impact in the world around us?  Is it to find a &#8220;blue collar&#8221; job that isn&#8217;t the high-powered, consumer-driven position that modern Americans pursue?</p>
<p>Thanks!  I really enjoyed reading this, and I&#8217;m interested in hearing your thoughts on the much more difficult &#8220;so what?&#8221; and &#8220;what next?&#8221; questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/04/april-15/#comment-1338</link>
		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a just world, you would be syndicated.  Thanks for this essay.  Perhaps the Lord will have mercy on this world, once again, for his eschatological purposes.  FYI, there&#039;s a spark of life &lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123974369645018189.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in Japan&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;i&gt;MASUTOMI, Japan -- Kenji Oshima lost his job in February at a seat-belt factory. So he applied for a highly competitive job-training program in an area he felt had more potential: farming.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;The 35-year-old, dressed in his old factory uniform, spent a recent morning in a remote village three hours from Tokyo. He was digging an irrigation ditch around a rice paddy, contemplating which tool was more effective, a hoe or a shovel.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;&quot;I know it&#039;s a hard life&quot; compared with his former job as a bookkeeper, Mr. Oshima said. &quot;But I want to become a farmer and use my own hands to do everything, from sowing seeds to shipping boxes.&quot; He hopes to soon rent land nearby to start farming full time.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a just world, you would be syndicated.  Thanks for this essay.  Perhaps the Lord will have mercy on this world, once again, for his eschatological purposes.  FYI, there&#8217;s a spark of life <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123974369645018189.html" rel="nofollow">in Japan</a>:</p>
<p><i>MASUTOMI, Japan &#8212; Kenji Oshima lost his job in February at a seat-belt factory. So he applied for a highly competitive job-training program in an area he felt had more potential: farming.</i></p>
<p><i>The 35-year-old, dressed in his old factory uniform, spent a recent morning in a remote village three hours from Tokyo. He was digging an irrigation ditch around a rice paddy, contemplating which tool was more effective, a hoe or a shovel.</i></p>
<p><i>&#8220;I know it&#8217;s a hard life&#8221; compared with his former job as a bookkeeper, Mr. Oshima said. &#8220;But I want to become a farmer and use my own hands to do everything, from sowing seeds to shipping boxes.&#8221; He hopes to soon rent land nearby to start farming full time.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Eric Donavon E</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/04/april-15/#comment-1328</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Donavon E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently was an observer at a Tax Day Tea Party in Canton, Ohio where I work.  The signs were largely against what is perceived by &quot;The Right&quot; as the growing threat of Socialism.  Though I am not opposed to their gripe I am equally against what seemed to be their proposed alternative:  The &quot;Free-Market Capitalism / Consumerism&quot; of the last fifty years, the &quot;right&quot; to &quot;return&quot; to a idyllic libertarianism that never existed but was the result of over-industrialization and the (un)fortuitous result of post-world war two prosperity.  The crowd smacked a little of populism and no one, especially the speakers, said anything about working to fix our cultural milieu but spoke in thinly veiled revolutionary rhetoric.  

Why does it seem the only thing we Americans are so ready to lay down our lives for is the right to go shopping?

John Lukacs
http://www.theamericanscholar.org/putting-man-before-descartes/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently was an observer at a Tax Day Tea Party in Canton, Ohio where I work.  The signs were largely against what is perceived by &#8220;The Right&#8221; as the growing threat of Socialism.  Though I am not opposed to their gripe I am equally against what seemed to be their proposed alternative:  The &#8220;Free-Market Capitalism / Consumerism&#8221; of the last fifty years, the &#8220;right&#8221; to &#8220;return&#8221; to a idyllic libertarianism that never existed but was the result of over-industrialization and the (un)fortuitous result of post-world war two prosperity.  The crowd smacked a little of populism and no one, especially the speakers, said anything about working to fix our cultural milieu but spoke in thinly veiled revolutionary rhetoric.  </p>
<p>Why does it seem the only thing we Americans are so ready to lay down our lives for is the right to go shopping?</p>
<p>John Lukacs<br />
<a href="http://www.theamericanscholar.org/putting-man-before-descartes/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theamericanscholar.org/putting-man-before-descartes/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Julana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for articulating this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for articulating this.</p>
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		<title>By: The Reticulator &#187; This is the dream?</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Reticulator &#187; This is the dream?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 05:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is the dream?04.16.09 &#124; No Comments      This is the comment I posted in response to an article at Front Porch [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Reticulator</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/04/april-15/#comment-1312</link>
		<dc:creator>The Reticulator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 04:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your article and that photo remind me:  Saint Ronald is my hero but one time I shuddered at what he said.  It was when he said he wanted to take Gorbachev on a helicopter ride over the suburbs of Los Angeles to show him all the homes with swimming pools, and tell him those were the homes of the workers.  (I don&#039;t have the exact words.)  It seemed to me kind of demeaning to our best national aspirations.   

My favorite newspaper bothered me the same way when it claimed to be the Daily Diary of the American Dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article and that photo remind me:  Saint Ronald is my hero but one time I shuddered at what he said.  It was when he said he wanted to take Gorbachev on a helicopter ride over the suburbs of Los Angeles to show him all the homes with swimming pools, and tell him those were the homes of the workers.  (I don&#8217;t have the exact words.)  It seemed to me kind of demeaning to our best national aspirations.   </p>
<p>My favorite newspaper bothered me the same way when it claimed to be the Daily Diary of the American Dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine Dalton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine Dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick:  I wish you would ask the university president&#039;s office for a statement about the veiling of the IHS, and post it here.  I would be interested to know if the letters have been covered before, too.  Thanks for your piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick:  I wish you would ask the university president&#8217;s office for a statement about the veiling of the IHS, and post it here.  I would be interested to know if the letters have been covered before, too.  Thanks for your piece.</p>
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