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		<title>By: Bob Cheeks</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/04/the-thee-ater-of-the-bozarts/#comment-1446</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Cheeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 20:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D.W. great comments, but we&#039;ll be hiding out in the foothills long after &quot;Progress&quot; ceases to require its usual offerings. See Ms. Dalton this is why we love D.W. and ask you to write stuff. 
D.W. check out my blog over at Postmodern Conservative (First Things)titled: Gimme that olde-time religion...it goes to the heart, though I think I may have annoyed a few!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D.W. great comments, but we&#8217;ll be hiding out in the foothills long after &#8220;Progress&#8221; ceases to require its usual offerings. See Ms. Dalton this is why we love D.W. and ask you to write stuff.<br />
D.W. check out my blog over at Postmodern Conservative (First Things)titled: Gimme that olde-time religion&#8230;it goes to the heart, though I think I may have annoyed a few!</p>
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		<title>By: D.W. Sabin</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 19:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Insult at will. I thrive on insult, it&#039;s why I read the N.Y. Times and reflexively follow politics . 

While Cheeks is correct that I have nostalgic impulses, I also am crazy enough to think the species is capable of a more comprehensive &quot;modernism&quot; that elevates the primitive to an equal level with the technological in a way that eliminates the cockeyed notion of &quot;external costs&quot; and does not sacrifice the local and beneficially traditional at the altar of &quot;Progress&quot;. We need both an historical reference and a fundamental urge to better our futures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insult at will. I thrive on insult, it&#8217;s why I read the N.Y. Times and reflexively follow politics . </p>
<p>While Cheeks is correct that I have nostalgic impulses, I also am crazy enough to think the species is capable of a more comprehensive &#8220;modernism&#8221; that elevates the primitive to an equal level with the technological in a way that eliminates the cockeyed notion of &#8220;external costs&#8221; and does not sacrifice the local and beneficially traditional at the altar of &#8220;Progress&#8221;. We need both an historical reference and a fundamental urge to better our futures.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine Dalton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine Dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No criticism of Mr. Sabin intended, whose comments I always appreciate.  My point is just the answer to the problems of the Times&#039; narrowness is more newspapers with more perspectives--but we are going to get fewer instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No criticism of Mr. Sabin intended, whose comments I always appreciate.  My point is just the answer to the problems of the Times&#8217; narrowness is more newspapers with more perspectives&#8211;but we are going to get fewer instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Cheeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Cheeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are correct about Berry capturing the idea of &quot;a community of people who live in awareness of their lives...&quot;
That&#039;s the magic, a recognition not only of our unique place in the drama of humanity (that transcends this world), but also the certitude that within that drama lies the act and potency of God.
I think D.W. is by nature a very nostalgic person..he&#039;s the philosopher seeking, questing,....
Write some more, Ms. Dalton, I do enjoy it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct about Berry capturing the idea of &#8220;a community of people who live in awareness of their lives&#8230;&#8221;<br />
That&#8217;s the magic, a recognition not only of our unique place in the drama of humanity (that transcends this world), but also the certitude that within that drama lies the act and potency of God.<br />
I think D.W. is by nature a very nostalgic person..he&#8217;s the philosopher seeking, questing,&#8230;.<br />
Write some more, Ms. Dalton, I do enjoy it!</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine Dalton</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/04/the-thee-ater-of-the-bozarts/#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine Dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if I would even call it hypocrisy, Mr. Cheeks.  I think Mr. Chappell has described it well (and thank you); the language is not the same, and the subject matter has no resonance.  One of the strange things about living in New York was coming to understand that I never fully understood the subtext of all that was said.  I don&#039;t mean anything knowing or unpleasant, but just the underlying assumptions of certain phrases and tones that differ enough between New York and Kentucky to make me realize, finally, I was a stranger in a foreign land.  People visiting England will feel it right away: same words, different language.

On the other hand Mr. Berry&#039;s characters&#039; language sounds just like my grandparents, and there&#039;s no question that&#039;s one reason I love his books.  Still, they also have a richness and complexity I&#039;d like to think would interest plenty of city people, and they do some, only not many at certain outlets.  His books are never optimistic, but they are full of hope--he has imagined a community of people who live in awareness of their ties, claims and need for one another.  I think that notion is more out of fashion than plowing with mules.  And newspapers are all about the new.

The other troubling thing is the day may come very soon when all of us, even Mr. Sabin, will be nostalgic for the Times (or the Boston Globe).  We seem to be going the way of the Huffington Post.

I agree with Mr. Chappell about the importance of university presses, and of other small presses, all of which I expect are going to have a tough few years.  Good luck to yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if I would even call it hypocrisy, Mr. Cheeks.  I think Mr. Chappell has described it well (and thank you); the language is not the same, and the subject matter has no resonance.  One of the strange things about living in New York was coming to understand that I never fully understood the subtext of all that was said.  I don&#8217;t mean anything knowing or unpleasant, but just the underlying assumptions of certain phrases and tones that differ enough between New York and Kentucky to make me realize, finally, I was a stranger in a foreign land.  People visiting England will feel it right away: same words, different language.</p>
<p>On the other hand Mr. Berry&#8217;s characters&#8217; language sounds just like my grandparents, and there&#8217;s no question that&#8217;s one reason I love his books.  Still, they also have a richness and complexity I&#8217;d like to think would interest plenty of city people, and they do some, only not many at certain outlets.  His books are never optimistic, but they are full of hope&#8211;he has imagined a community of people who live in awareness of their ties, claims and need for one another.  I think that notion is more out of fashion than plowing with mules.  And newspapers are all about the new.</p>
<p>The other troubling thing is the day may come very soon when all of us, even Mr. Sabin, will be nostalgic for the Times (or the Boston Globe).  We seem to be going the way of the Huffington Post.</p>
<p>I agree with Mr. Chappell about the importance of university presses, and of other small presses, all of which I expect are going to have a tough few years.  Good luck to yours.</p>
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		<title>By: D.W. Sabin</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dalton, you give the N.Y. Times too much credit. Their world weary view doesn&#039;t extend to the Hudson, it clamps shut in an ironclad bubble that floats from one cocktail party of swells to another. Actually, the Think tanks of Washington DC would appear to be more on their horizon than even Greenwich Village...such as it is.... now. Granted, the west has always been someplace that only has meaning if someone at a Gotham soiree &quot;discovered&quot; it . 

The Times and many of it&#039;s fellow newspapers used to have the good sense and courage to hire journalists rather than commentators. These journalists could bang a type writer and did not have the glib ability to Google things...they actually had to go out and hit the pavement to research a story and more often than not, they assembled at smoky bars at 3 in the afternoon and compared notes across paper lines. The best ones possessed a narrative quality that was rich in novelistic flourishes. They might have had &quot;confidential sources&quot; but they didn&#039;t grant these sources final word. They were beholden to the big boys in their upper floor offices but they were not cowed by them. The editors nd publishers respected them more for it. They made a career out of puncturing conventional wisdom rather than pumping it up to a planetary size.

Newspapers are fast becoming simply a slightly more comprehensive television . The best thing to do after wading through all the expanded &quot;lifestyle&quot; coverage and actually garnering a bit of real news is to read a few papers, conjure the opposite of what they say and average it all out to a kind of tentative reality, confirmed only when the paper says it isn&#039;t true.

I stubbornly pay a few drachmas to read the Times near every day but it can generally be chalked up to an unseemly desire to be pissed off about something. I think the clinical term for it is paranoid schizophrenia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dalton, you give the N.Y. Times too much credit. Their world weary view doesn&#8217;t extend to the Hudson, it clamps shut in an ironclad bubble that floats from one cocktail party of swells to another. Actually, the Think tanks of Washington DC would appear to be more on their horizon than even Greenwich Village&#8230;such as it is&#8230;. now. Granted, the west has always been someplace that only has meaning if someone at a Gotham soiree &#8220;discovered&#8221; it . </p>
<p>The Times and many of it&#8217;s fellow newspapers used to have the good sense and courage to hire journalists rather than commentators. These journalists could bang a type writer and did not have the glib ability to Google things&#8230;they actually had to go out and hit the pavement to research a story and more often than not, they assembled at smoky bars at 3 in the afternoon and compared notes across paper lines. The best ones possessed a narrative quality that was rich in novelistic flourishes. They might have had &#8220;confidential sources&#8221; but they didn&#8217;t grant these sources final word. They were beholden to the big boys in their upper floor offices but they were not cowed by them. The editors nd publishers respected them more for it. They made a career out of puncturing conventional wisdom rather than pumping it up to a planetary size.</p>
<p>Newspapers are fast becoming simply a slightly more comprehensive television . The best thing to do after wading through all the expanded &#8220;lifestyle&#8221; coverage and actually garnering a bit of real news is to read a few papers, conjure the opposite of what they say and average it all out to a kind of tentative reality, confirmed only when the paper says it isn&#8217;t true.</p>
<p>I stubbornly pay a few drachmas to read the Times near every day but it can generally be chalked up to an unseemly desire to be pissed off about something. I think the clinical term for it is paranoid schizophrenia.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Chappell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Chappell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The parochialism isn&#039;t restricted to NYT reviews. I sometimes suspect that a modern-day Faulkner would struggle to get his work read by agents and editors in New York. To a degree, that&#039;s perfectly understandable given the millions of manuscripts floating around, the number and increasing influence of prestigious creative writing programs, and the background and sensibilites of folks working in the New York publishing business. 

Who has the better shot? A bright kid studying at Princeton under Joyce Carol Oates or an elderly, unpublished genius laboring in a burg in Oklahoma? This is nothing new, of course.

Certainly, the folks in NY choose many worthy works and authors, including a few from the hinterlands. They take risks on young and unknown writers, and, often as not, lose money in the bargain. But I suspect that most editors and agents make their choices with a sophisticated (and perhaps subtle and unconsious) urban bias. If you were born and raised in New York City or choose to live and work there, you might wonder who&#039;d care about a collection of stories set in and around Winesburg Ohio. In Sherwood Anderson&#039;s time, an urban sophisticate probably wasn&#039;t more than a generation or two removed from the farm and probably counted farmers or small town merchants among his kin. 

To be fair and honest, if I were an editor or critic and something like Portnoy&#039;s Complaint crossed my desk, I&#039;d probably pass. I was born, raised, and educated in Kentucky, and during the past 26 years I&#039;ve lived in Texas, I&#039;ve spent as much time as possible in what many people call The Sticks. As hard as I try to avoid provincialism, my experiences (reading included) shape my outlook. I find small town and rural concerns very real and worthy of exploration. Sure, I can enjoy an urban novel, but it&#039;s unlikely to resonate like a story or essay by Eudora Welty or John Graves. That says a lot more about me than about the urban novel in question.

As newspaper book and arts sections continue to shrink and disappear, it seems likely that the infliuence of the New York Times and a few other publications will only grow, and their outlook will become even more provincial. Sure, blogs and online reviews will help, and regional and university presses are publishing works that NY publishers wouldn&#039;t touch, but unless newspapers like The Courier Joural, Dallas Morning News, and Houston Chronicle can afford (and choose) to publish substantial reviews of works by local artists, writers, and producers, indifference from NY will continue to sting far more than it should. 

(Full disclosure: My books are published by a university press. This subject is near and dear to my heart, wallet, and ego.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The parochialism isn&#8217;t restricted to NYT reviews. I sometimes suspect that a modern-day Faulkner would struggle to get his work read by agents and editors in New York. To a degree, that&#8217;s perfectly understandable given the millions of manuscripts floating around, the number and increasing influence of prestigious creative writing programs, and the background and sensibilites of folks working in the New York publishing business. </p>
<p>Who has the better shot? A bright kid studying at Princeton under Joyce Carol Oates or an elderly, unpublished genius laboring in a burg in Oklahoma? This is nothing new, of course.</p>
<p>Certainly, the folks in NY choose many worthy works and authors, including a few from the hinterlands. They take risks on young and unknown writers, and, often as not, lose money in the bargain. But I suspect that most editors and agents make their choices with a sophisticated (and perhaps subtle and unconsious) urban bias. If you were born and raised in New York City or choose to live and work there, you might wonder who&#8217;d care about a collection of stories set in and around Winesburg Ohio. In Sherwood Anderson&#8217;s time, an urban sophisticate probably wasn&#8217;t more than a generation or two removed from the farm and probably counted farmers or small town merchants among his kin. </p>
<p>To be fair and honest, if I were an editor or critic and something like Portnoy&#8217;s Complaint crossed my desk, I&#8217;d probably pass. I was born, raised, and educated in Kentucky, and during the past 26 years I&#8217;ve lived in Texas, I&#8217;ve spent as much time as possible in what many people call The Sticks. As hard as I try to avoid provincialism, my experiences (reading included) shape my outlook. I find small town and rural concerns very real and worthy of exploration. Sure, I can enjoy an urban novel, but it&#8217;s unlikely to resonate like a story or essay by Eudora Welty or John Graves. That says a lot more about me than about the urban novel in question.</p>
<p>As newspaper book and arts sections continue to shrink and disappear, it seems likely that the infliuence of the New York Times and a few other publications will only grow, and their outlook will become even more provincial. Sure, blogs and online reviews will help, and regional and university presses are publishing works that NY publishers wouldn&#8217;t touch, but unless newspapers like The Courier Joural, Dallas Morning News, and Houston Chronicle can afford (and choose) to publish substantial reviews of works by local artists, writers, and producers, indifference from NY will continue to sting far more than it should. </p>
<p>(Full disclosure: My books are published by a university press. This subject is near and dear to my heart, wallet, and ego.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for teasing out the threads of that dismissal by the Times. I was struck dumb by the reviewer&#039;s refusal to engage the work on its own terms. We expect ... and should call for ... better from such an influential media outlet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for teasing out the threads of that dismissal by the Times. I was struck dumb by the reviewer&#8217;s refusal to engage the work on its own terms. We expect &#8230; and should call for &#8230; better from such an influential media outlet.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Cooney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Cooney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would expect a book reviewer in the New York Times to have some knowledge and appreciation of the American literary tradition.  This level of competence would be hard to achieve if one is dismissive of Nature and rural life as subjects, since these are the subjects that form the main body of our national literature.  

And they are not simply arbitrary subjects.  Nature, especially, both as a thing and an idea, is inseperable from American history.  Our poets have been wrestling with the conflicts and problems that resulted as European civilization pushed itself into a vast wilderness, a New World.  

And what kind of literature would we have without rural culture?  Not much.  Of course having a dearth of literature means that there is an absence of culture to nourish it.  At some point, the Times will feel the consequences of this loss of culture, but, I expect, they will fail to recognize its cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would expect a book reviewer in the New York Times to have some knowledge and appreciation of the American literary tradition.  This level of competence would be hard to achieve if one is dismissive of Nature and rural life as subjects, since these are the subjects that form the main body of our national literature.  </p>
<p>And they are not simply arbitrary subjects.  Nature, especially, both as a thing and an idea, is inseperable from American history.  Our poets have been wrestling with the conflicts and problems that resulted as European civilization pushed itself into a vast wilderness, a New World.  </p>
<p>And what kind of literature would we have without rural culture?  Not much.  Of course having a dearth of literature means that there is an absence of culture to nourish it.  At some point, the Times will feel the consequences of this loss of culture, but, I expect, they will fail to recognize its cause.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Cheeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Cheeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading Berry since 1974-I think-when his Unsettling of America was published and reviewed a half dozen of his fiction works for various publications, though not for the Times. Although you know Berry and I&#039;m merely a fan who often visits the membership for restorative reasons, I find it difficult to believe that he would spend too much time being offended by a Times review.
Your essay clearly illustrates, for me, the continuing hypocracy of the left. Excellent essay, Ms. Dalton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading Berry since 1974-I think-when his Unsettling of America was published and reviewed a half dozen of his fiction works for various publications, though not for the Times. Although you know Berry and I&#8217;m merely a fan who often visits the membership for restorative reasons, I find it difficult to believe that he would spend too much time being offended by a Times review.<br />
Your essay clearly illustrates, for me, the continuing hypocracy of the left. Excellent essay, Ms. Dalton.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine Dalton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine Dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In checking this piece again this morning I realized something I need to mention in fairness:  that Stegner&#039;s complaint about the NYT was discussed by Timothy Egan in an op-ed in that paper in February.  So while the Times misses a lot, it does occasionally acknowledge it misses a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In checking this piece again this morning I realized something I need to mention in fairness:  that Stegner&#8217;s complaint about the NYT was discussed by Timothy Egan in an op-ed in that paper in February.  So while the Times misses a lot, it does occasionally acknowledge it misses a lot.</p>
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