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		<title>By: Freedom, Ethics, and the Temptation of Localism &#124; Drunken Koudou</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/06/so-are-we-hypocrites/#comment-20923</link>
		<dc:creator>Freedom, Ethics, and the Temptation of Localism &#124; Drunken Koudou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bless the internet. God bless the cell phone, the television, the instant message, the automobile, Facebook, the iPod, and free wireless in coffee shops. And God remove from among us the idiot who [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris West</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Rousseau confronted this kind of dilemma a while back in his famous letter to d&#039;Alembert.  There he confronted the question of whether or not introducing the theatre to virtuous, republican Geneva would be healthy or not. In short, his answer was that it would be corrupting to Geneva but possibly useful for already corrupted Paris. This particular use by you of a technology that has attenuated our relationships is commendable because it is constructive relative to the corruption already taking place.  We are definitely in a &quot;Paris&quot; situation, and as they said after the War, &quot;It&#039;s hard to keep them down on the farm once they&#039;ve seen Paris.&quot; We need people to show us Parisians the way back to Geneva, to retrace our steps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Rousseau confronted this kind of dilemma a while back in his famous letter to d&#8217;Alembert.  There he confronted the question of whether or not introducing the theatre to virtuous, republican Geneva would be healthy or not. In short, his answer was that it would be corrupting to Geneva but possibly useful for already corrupted Paris. This particular use by you of a technology that has attenuated our relationships is commendable because it is constructive relative to the corruption already taking place.  We are definitely in a &#8220;Paris&#8221; situation, and as they said after the War, &#8220;It&#8217;s hard to keep them down on the farm once they&#8217;ve seen Paris.&#8221; We need people to show us Parisians the way back to Geneva, to retrace our steps.</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s Modernity Marx Got to Do With It? (FPR vs. PoMoCon, Part Drei) &#124; Front Porch Republic</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/06/so-are-we-hypocrites/#comment-5024</link>
		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s Modernity Marx Got to Do With It? (FPR vs. PoMoCon, Part Drei) &#124; Front Porch Republic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to step back and get clear on just what it is that everyone is claiming. I&#8217;m not Luddite (or, as Susan McWilliams would perhaps put it, hypocritical) enough to wish the internet away and resolve to restrict myself to the discipline of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: D.W. Sabin</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/06/so-are-we-hypocrites/#comment-4572</link>
		<dc:creator>D.W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t stay away too long, you might catch a dose of that ennui that characterizes the age. One wonders, what happens when the people of the planet ennui run out of ennui ? 

Hypocritize at will. If you exhibit a contradictory philosophy, you at least have a philosophy to contradict. I make it a point to contradict myself on a regular basis if for no other reason than to be roundly hooted by my kids and wife ...and dog. The King needs to know he&#039;s an asshole as Canute so ably demonstrated...pardon my indelicacies.

As a teacher, you are regularly near students whose chief pleasure in life is to point out hypocritical actions or words and the key is to listen to them, perhaps defend yourself within the bounds of reasonable discretion but to never fade out without a good brawl. If you didn&#039;t surprise them , they&#039;d be Twittering on their little twitterphiliac gadgets instead of listening to you.

Then again, a hiatus from this seductive pox is most conducive to all manner of free-range thinking....and the planting of little seeds of hypocrisy that can grow up into big giant Redwoods of Effulgent Contradiction in the fullness of time. A person who does not contradict themselves is either not saying anything of merit or is too cautious or maybe altogether too damned agreeable to attain any worth of note......

Enjoy your hiatus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t stay away too long, you might catch a dose of that ennui that characterizes the age. One wonders, what happens when the people of the planet ennui run out of ennui ? </p>
<p>Hypocritize at will. If you exhibit a contradictory philosophy, you at least have a philosophy to contradict. I make it a point to contradict myself on a regular basis if for no other reason than to be roundly hooted by my kids and wife &#8230;and dog. The King needs to know he&#8217;s an asshole as Canute so ably demonstrated&#8230;pardon my indelicacies.</p>
<p>As a teacher, you are regularly near students whose chief pleasure in life is to point out hypocritical actions or words and the key is to listen to them, perhaps defend yourself within the bounds of reasonable discretion but to never fade out without a good brawl. If you didn&#8217;t surprise them , they&#8217;d be Twittering on their little twitterphiliac gadgets instead of listening to you.</p>
<p>Then again, a hiatus from this seductive pox is most conducive to all manner of free-range thinking&#8230;.and the planting of little seeds of hypocrisy that can grow up into big giant Redwoods of Effulgent Contradiction in the fullness of time. A person who does not contradict themselves is either not saying anything of merit or is too cautious or maybe altogether too damned agreeable to attain any worth of note&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>Enjoy your hiatus.</p>
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		<title>By: Univeristy students are to blame for current economic crisis? &#124; Cheap Family Holidays</title>
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		<dc:creator>Univeristy students are to blame for current economic crisis? &#124; Cheap Family Holidays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Esmeralda_Pearl</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/06/so-are-we-hypocrites/#comment-4399</link>
		<dc:creator>Esmeralda_Pearl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan and others who contribute to this site....

I have enjoyed all of the articles that I&#039;ve read at FPR. Without the website I would not have discovered a wonderful group that shares many of my values. I don&#039;t always respond with a comment.  

In centuries past, people joined literary societies or clubs such as the Masons to interact with people of similar interests.  Some of these organizations (Rotary, Kiwanis, etc.) survive because they are vehicles to carry out the group&#039;s mission statement.  This mission of an on-line magazine is to exchange ideas.  What better way than the internet?

Perhaps without the internet, a group like the FPR founders, would have created a newsletter or magazine.  This endeavor would require a constant influx of money to survive. Much time and money would have been spent and one (dare I say &quot;unlucky&quot;?) person would have the responsibility of editing, transcribing and mailing out the product.  The internet has made it possible to have those who participate to do so with a minimum of time and expense.  

The internet is a tool available to our generation; nothing more nothing less.

Can we become slaves of our technology? I suppose that is a topic for another article/essay. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan and others who contribute to this site&#8230;.</p>
<p>I have enjoyed all of the articles that I&#8217;ve read at FPR. Without the website I would not have discovered a wonderful group that shares many of my values. I don&#8217;t always respond with a comment.  </p>
<p>In centuries past, people joined literary societies or clubs such as the Masons to interact with people of similar interests.  Some of these organizations (Rotary, Kiwanis, etc.) survive because they are vehicles to carry out the group&#8217;s mission statement.  This mission of an on-line magazine is to exchange ideas.  What better way than the internet?</p>
<p>Perhaps without the internet, a group like the FPR founders, would have created a newsletter or magazine.  This endeavor would require a constant influx of money to survive. Much time and money would have been spent and one (dare I say &#8220;unlucky&#8221;?) person would have the responsibility of editing, transcribing and mailing out the product.  The internet has made it possible to have those who participate to do so with a minimum of time and expense.  </p>
<p>The internet is a tool available to our generation; nothing more nothing less.</p>
<p>Can we become slaves of our technology? I suppose that is a topic for another article/essay. :)</p>
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		<title>By: MIchael Morrell</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/06/so-are-we-hypocrites/#comment-4394</link>
		<dc:creator>MIchael Morrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Shiffman  said:

&quot;The other question is whether the time we authors invest in this site is detrimental to our own lives and souls. Again, I know that in my case I am torn between an engagement to contribute content weekly as much as possible and the feeling that by doing so I have been sucked into the blogosphere and out of my contemplative habits and concrete human engagements more than I like.&quot;

Here is one of the issues I have with FPR. I really enjoy many of the contributions and the insightful comments. I also appreciate that the postings are not simply link-filled sound bites or simple off-the-top-of-the-head rants. Yet to actually read every post and the following comments would demand a great deal of time away from other, more direct human engagement as well as contemplation.

Why do the editors not consider limiting the number of posts per week? This might benefit both regular readers and the contributors themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Shiffman  said:</p>
<p>&#8220;The other question is whether the time we authors invest in this site is detrimental to our own lives and souls. Again, I know that in my case I am torn between an engagement to contribute content weekly as much as possible and the feeling that by doing so I have been sucked into the blogosphere and out of my contemplative habits and concrete human engagements more than I like.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here is one of the issues I have with FPR. I really enjoy many of the contributions and the insightful comments. I also appreciate that the postings are not simply link-filled sound bites or simple off-the-top-of-the-head rants. Yet to actually read every post and the following comments would demand a great deal of time away from other, more direct human engagement as well as contemplation.</p>
<p>Why do the editors not consider limiting the number of posts per week? This might benefit both regular readers and the contributors themselves?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Shiffman</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/06/so-are-we-hypocrites/#comment-4375</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Shiffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 01:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My reasons for participating in this venture are basically the same as Susan&#039;s, and I think she and I have been the two contributing editors most prone to skip a week here and there.

For me there are two main questions.  One is whether choosing to use this medium undermines the message that we all want to communicate.  One of the effects of spending time on this site ought to be a desire to spend less time on the internet and at the computer.  But at the same time we want the site to be something people want to spend time reading, and we want the writing to be substantial and intelligent enough to make it worth spending time reading.  So in some degree we are necessarily at cross purposes with ourselves, while hoping that the overall effect will be salutary.

The other question is whether the time we authors invest in this site is detrimental to our own lives and souls.  Again, I know that in my case I am torn between an engagement to contribute content weekly as much as possible and the feeling that by doing so I have been sucked into the blogosphere and out of my contemplative habits and concrete human engagements more than I like.

I suppose my conclusion is that, for the sake of carrying on an often very good conversation and discovering new sympathetic characters and learning from them, we (or at least I) are enduring a certain amount of inconsistency.  But consistency has been called the hobgoblin of small minds.  Readers must decide for themselves whether that is a realistic response or a cop-out.  I have to read my children their bedtime story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reasons for participating in this venture are basically the same as Susan&#8217;s, and I think she and I have been the two contributing editors most prone to skip a week here and there.</p>
<p>For me there are two main questions.  One is whether choosing to use this medium undermines the message that we all want to communicate.  One of the effects of spending time on this site ought to be a desire to spend less time on the internet and at the computer.  But at the same time we want the site to be something people want to spend time reading, and we want the writing to be substantial and intelligent enough to make it worth spending time reading.  So in some degree we are necessarily at cross purposes with ourselves, while hoping that the overall effect will be salutary.</p>
<p>The other question is whether the time we authors invest in this site is detrimental to our own lives and souls.  Again, I know that in my case I am torn between an engagement to contribute content weekly as much as possible and the feeling that by doing so I have been sucked into the blogosphere and out of my contemplative habits and concrete human engagements more than I like.</p>
<p>I suppose my conclusion is that, for the sake of carrying on an often very good conversation and discovering new sympathetic characters and learning from them, we (or at least I) are enduring a certain amount of inconsistency.  But consistency has been called the hobgoblin of small minds.  Readers must decide for themselves whether that is a realistic response or a cop-out.  I have to read my children their bedtime story.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/06/so-are-we-hypocrites/#comment-4369</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 20:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a staunch hypocrite, I think this is an excellent website and applaud your efforts.</description>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/06/so-are-we-hypocrites/#comment-4356</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why on earth would a bunch of people committed to place and limits and local communities choose as their venue the Internet - the placeless, seemingly limitless, global Internet?&quot;

Certainly you can send letters or write papers and so on which people who aren&#039;t in your local community read, and vice versa? Isn&#039;t the point about coming to a healthy balance in terms of local versus distant and so on?

So I second Freddy and Emp&#039;s comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why on earth would a bunch of people committed to place and limits and local communities choose as their venue the Internet &#8211; the placeless, seemingly limitless, global Internet?&#8221;</p>
<p>Certainly you can send letters or write papers and so on which people who aren&#8217;t in your local community read, and vice versa? Isn&#8217;t the point about coming to a healthy balance in terms of local versus distant and so on?</p>
<p>So I second Freddy and Emp&#8217;s comments.</p>
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		<title>By: JD Salyer</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/06/so-are-we-hypocrites/#comment-4355</link>
		<dc:creator>JD Salyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid I have little patience with the &quot;You&#039;re A Hypocrite!&quot; argument myself.  

For defenders of the status quo, it is strikingly convenient:  &quot;We make a world in which it is increasingly difficult to survive without e-mail, Blackboard, and other such technologies; you should either A.) accept that world and shut up, or B.) crawl off into a hole somewhere so we don&#039;t have to listen to you.&quot;

Not being a Luddite, I am inclined in the end to agree with freddy.  The problem is not technology itself -- human beings have *always* had technology -- but the utterly uncritical enthusiasm with which our culture greets technological innovation.

To ensure we use our technological power wisely as that power increases, our cultural &amp; spiritual restraints which determine how that power is used should grow stronger as well -- along with connections to the wisdom of the past which tells us who we are and how we got here.  

The current trend, however, seems to be in the exact opposite direction.  As we grow more powerful we have grown more careless and deranged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid I have little patience with the &#8220;You&#8217;re A Hypocrite!&#8221; argument myself.  </p>
<p>For defenders of the status quo, it is strikingly convenient:  &#8220;We make a world in which it is increasingly difficult to survive without e-mail, Blackboard, and other such technologies; you should either A.) accept that world and shut up, or B.) crawl off into a hole somewhere so we don&#8217;t have to listen to you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not being a Luddite, I am inclined in the end to agree with freddy.  The problem is not technology itself &#8212; human beings have *always* had technology &#8212; but the utterly uncritical enthusiasm with which our culture greets technological innovation.</p>
<p>To ensure we use our technological power wisely as that power increases, our cultural &amp; spiritual restraints which determine how that power is used should grow stronger as well &#8212; along with connections to the wisdom of the past which tells us who we are and how we got here.  </p>
<p>The current trend, however, seems to be in the exact opposite direction.  As we grow more powerful we have grown more careless and deranged.</p>
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		<title>By: Empedocles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Empedocles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It certainly seems you can read books written by people in other places and still be for localism and still have real friends and family.  I don&#039;t think FPR is much different than reading a book.  The only difference is the comments system.  I think that the virtual networking and virtual friends aspects of the Internet is different though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It certainly seems you can read books written by people in other places and still be for localism and still have real friends and family.  I don&#8217;t think FPR is much different than reading a book.  The only difference is the comments system.  I think that the virtual networking and virtual friends aspects of the Internet is different though.</p>
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		<title>By: freddy</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/06/so-are-we-hypocrites/#comment-4350</link>
		<dc:creator>freddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 13:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you believe the Internet is the Fruit Of The Beast, you&#039;re a hypo. If you think the Internet has some utility that ought to be subject to personal limits prescribed by The Good Life, what&#039;s the problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you believe the Internet is the Fruit Of The Beast, you&#8217;re a hypo. If you think the Internet has some utility that ought to be subject to personal limits prescribed by The Good Life, what&#8217;s the problem?</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Steele</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/06/so-are-we-hypocrites/#comment-4345</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In this day and age, the places to gather with like (and unlike as well!) minds for long discourse are hard to find. To actually have discovered people who politely discuss deep and often conflicting points of view, ethics, and responsible morality is a wonderful thing. But no need to feel that the Internet as that forum is hypocritical - merely use it as the tool it is to help people expand their conversations. I am a lurker on many blogs, not so much for the initial post setting out a single point, but for the comments that open up consideration of differing points, and as the debate goes back and forth, I am given knowledge to help me frame my own position. That&#039;s the true gift of this medium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this day and age, the places to gather with like (and unlike as well!) minds for long discourse are hard to find. To actually have discovered people who politely discuss deep and often conflicting points of view, ethics, and responsible morality is a wonderful thing. But no need to feel that the Internet as that forum is hypocritical &#8211; merely use it as the tool it is to help people expand their conversations. I am a lurker on many blogs, not so much for the initial post setting out a single point, but for the comments that open up consideration of differing points, and as the debate goes back and forth, I am given knowledge to help me frame my own position. That&#8217;s the true gift of this medium.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Cheeks</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/06/so-are-we-hypocrites/#comment-4344</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Cheeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Susan, delightful essay. 
The question of technology might be settled, in this instance, by the utility of this particular application to, at the very least, help determine the nature of the modern polis in the face of the possible collapse of civic order.
One of the purposes of the FPR, as I understand it, is to engage in a rigorous dialectic in the hope of determining the form of governance best suited to man.
Given the recent rise of pro-statist essays/blogs, as well presented as they always are, prompts the question: Is this merely an example of free speech, which is highly commendable, or does this indicate the philosophical trajectory of this delightful website? 

And, I truly miss the acerbic observations of the beloved misanthrope, D. W. Sabin! Dude........!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Susan, delightful essay.<br />
The question of technology might be settled, in this instance, by the utility of this particular application to, at the very least, help determine the nature of the modern polis in the face of the possible collapse of civic order.<br />
One of the purposes of the FPR, as I understand it, is to engage in a rigorous dialectic in the hope of determining the form of governance best suited to man.<br />
Given the recent rise of pro-statist essays/blogs, as well presented as they always are, prompts the question: Is this merely an example of free speech, which is highly commendable, or does this indicate the philosophical trajectory of this delightful website? </p>
<p>And, I truly miss the acerbic observations of the beloved misanthrope, D. W. Sabin! Dude&#8230;&#8230;..!</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicole D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there is a bit of hypocrisy implicit in this enterprise, I thank you for doing it anyway.  I know that my own thoughts about the relationship between the online world and those around me have been enriched by what I&#039;ve read on FPR.  Also, people who desire to think and act locally are hard to find sometimes.  Having a place like this to stop and read and think makes me feel like I&#039;m not so crazy to be spending my time and money trying to be financially and socially present in my community.</description>
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