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		<title>By: Wessexman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wessexman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 04:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;David, Upon reflection, I’m not sure the Plato v. Aristotle discussion takes us very far in the long run. Some people seem to call themselves Platonic as a shorthand way of saying that they affirm some unchanging order to which we are bound and in which we are located. I think it is unnecessary to invoke Plato for that purpose–Aristotle is sufficient for this particular claim. Others know better than I.&quot;

Really Aristotle is a Platonist, he criticises Plato and has different emphasises but there really is no Aristotlian system with the Platonic doctrines stripped from it as the Platonic Lloyd Gerson put it. As brilliant as Aristotle is Plato and the Platonists are even more brilliant and capture an even greater part of reality, particularly of the transcendent levels of reality as Aristotle is somewhat more focused on the immanent and sensory. Aristotle is sufficient for some and more Peripatetics in the modern West would be a good thing but more Platonists would be even better.

 Ted has wonderfully described Bohemian Conservatism in passages likes this:

At the risk of approaching a definition, a bohemian conservative believes humans ought to appreciate, live amidst, and even love the eccentric particularity of physical nature, of distinctive persons, of local culture, of odd traditions that reach back before memory, and more generally of the person rooted in time and place–a historical expression as unique as the proverbial snowflake.  The bohemian conservative appreciates less the abstract beauty of the woman on the billboard and more the peculiar beauty of the woman who works at the diner.  The bohemian conservative does not love the individualist as much as the eccentric person who is rooted in cultural soil unprocessed by sanitizing consumerism.  The bohemian conservative admires the unique and peculiar over the abstracted perfection of a universal form.

And I don&#039;t think such a position is necessarily at odds with a Platonic position, after all Platonism not only affirms universals but all the potentials or possibilities within the universals and the limitless nature of the One. You need to remember the Platonic and Aristotlian ideas of the universal, essence and unity of course but that does not remove the truth of the diversity we are talking of either, it doesn&#039;t even remove its goodness as long as it is seen within the full framework which also remembers the place of universals etc. Historically Platonism has not been opposed to all diversity or distinction, far from it; distinction has been seen as a key part of Platonism. Of course there will be tensions in this philosophy and it must be remembered that for Plato the prime place does not go to deductive reason or language, which are though still important but to the Intellect or Spiritual intuition when it comes to understanding and reconciling the true nature of reality and overcoming any lingering tension or ambiguity at the level of discursive thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;David, Upon reflection, I’m not sure the Plato v. Aristotle discussion takes us very far in the long run. Some people seem to call themselves Platonic as a shorthand way of saying that they affirm some unchanging order to which we are bound and in which we are located. I think it is unnecessary to invoke Plato for that purpose–Aristotle is sufficient for this particular claim. Others know better than I.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really Aristotle is a Platonist, he criticises Plato and has different emphasises but there really is no Aristotlian system with the Platonic doctrines stripped from it as the Platonic Lloyd Gerson put it. As brilliant as Aristotle is Plato and the Platonists are even more brilliant and capture an even greater part of reality, particularly of the transcendent levels of reality as Aristotle is somewhat more focused on the immanent and sensory. Aristotle is sufficient for some and more Peripatetics in the modern West would be a good thing but more Platonists would be even better.</p>
<p> Ted has wonderfully described Bohemian Conservatism in passages likes this:</p>
<p>At the risk of approaching a definition, a bohemian conservative believes humans ought to appreciate, live amidst, and even love the eccentric particularity of physical nature, of distinctive persons, of local culture, of odd traditions that reach back before memory, and more generally of the person rooted in time and place–a historical expression as unique as the proverbial snowflake.  The bohemian conservative appreciates less the abstract beauty of the woman on the billboard and more the peculiar beauty of the woman who works at the diner.  The bohemian conservative does not love the individualist as much as the eccentric person who is rooted in cultural soil unprocessed by sanitizing consumerism.  The bohemian conservative admires the unique and peculiar over the abstracted perfection of a universal form.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think such a position is necessarily at odds with a Platonic position, after all Platonism not only affirms universals but all the potentials or possibilities within the universals and the limitless nature of the One. You need to remember the Platonic and Aristotlian ideas of the universal, essence and unity of course but that does not remove the truth of the diversity we are talking of either, it doesn&#8217;t even remove its goodness as long as it is seen within the full framework which also remembers the place of universals etc. Historically Platonism has not been opposed to all diversity or distinction, far from it; distinction has been seen as a key part of Platonism. Of course there will be tensions in this philosophy and it must be remembered that for Plato the prime place does not go to deductive reason or language, which are though still important but to the Intellect or Spiritual intuition when it comes to understanding and reconciling the true nature of reality and overcoming any lingering tension or ambiguity at the level of discursive thought.</p>
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		<title>By: MHartzler</title>
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		<dc:creator>MHartzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed your essay, but confess to laughter on reading your defense to charges brought by  a hypothetical reader. It collided so neatly with the truth in my case.</description>
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		<title>By: Listening To Joni Mitchell Down On The Farm, Listening To Queen In The Diner &#171; Around The Sphere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Listening To Joni Mitchell Down On The Farm, Listening To Queen In The Diner &#171; Around The Sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ted McAllister at The Front Porch Republic: At the risk of approaching a definition, a bohemian conservative believes humans ought to appreciate, live amidst, and even love the eccentric particularity of physical nature, of distinctive persons, of local culture, of odd traditions that reach back before memory, and more generally of the person rooted in time and place–a historical expression as unique as the proverbial snowflake.  The bohemian conservative appreciates less the abstract beauty of the woman on the billboard and more the peculiar beauty of the woman who works at the diner.  The bohemian conservative does not love the individualist as much as the eccentric person who is rooted in cultural soil unprocessed by sanitizing consumerism.  The bohemian conservative admires the unique and peculiar over the abstracted perfection of a universal form. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ted McAllister at The Front Porch Republic: At the risk of approaching a definition, a bohemian conservative believes humans ought to appreciate, live amidst, and even love the eccentric particularity of physical nature, of distinctive persons, of local culture, of odd traditions that reach back before memory, and more generally of the person rooted in time and place–a historical expression as unique as the proverbial snowflake.  The bohemian conservative appreciates less the abstract beauty of the woman on the billboard and more the peculiar beauty of the woman who works at the diner.  The bohemian conservative does not love the individualist as much as the eccentric person who is rooted in cultural soil unprocessed by sanitizing consumerism.  The bohemian conservative admires the unique and peculiar over the abstracted perfection of a universal form. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ted V. McAllister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted V. McAllister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo Ian.  I&#039;m sure St. Louis is experiencing a noticeable decrease in the population of flies.</description>
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		<title>By: Ian, Killer of Flies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian, Killer of Flies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 16:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plato&#039;s attitude towards reaching the universal through the inmattered and contingent seems to vary through the dialogs, though. In the parable of the cave, he seems to assert, gnostically, that the contingent world is mere illusion (though in that he is just being a good Parminidean); from that, it would seem to follow that the particular is of no importance, and that we must reach to the abstract by the shortest distance possible (likely through geometry...). But in the Symposium, the love of the forms must begin in the love of what is in front of us -- we ascend through the material world, which is all we have, to the universals which lie behind it: a more &quot;Aristotelian&quot; approach!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plato&#8217;s attitude towards reaching the universal through the inmattered and contingent seems to vary through the dialogs, though. In the parable of the cave, he seems to assert, gnostically, that the contingent world is mere illusion (though in that he is just being a good Parminidean); from that, it would seem to follow that the particular is of no importance, and that we must reach to the abstract by the shortest distance possible (likely through geometry&#8230;). But in the Symposium, the love of the forms must begin in the love of what is in front of us &#8212; we ascend through the material world, which is all we have, to the universals which lie behind it: a more &#8220;Aristotelian&#8221; approach!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Cheeks</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/07/the-strange-lament-of-a-bohemian-conservative/#comment-9397</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Cheeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then again &quot;Dobie Gillis&quot; had the lovely Tuesday Weld oft dressed in the provocative Angora sweater symbolizing procreative possibilities inherent in the human drama.
This talk of &quot;Gilligan&#039;s Island&quot; is yet, another indication of the decline of academia.
And, of course, you&#039;re required to do something on the &#039;true&#039; meaning of the X-Files!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then again &#8220;Dobie Gillis&#8221; had the lovely Tuesday Weld oft dressed in the provocative Angora sweater symbolizing procreative possibilities inherent in the human drama.<br />
This talk of &#8220;Gilligan&#8217;s Island&#8221; is yet, another indication of the decline of academia.<br />
And, of course, you&#8217;re required to do something on the &#8216;true&#8217; meaning of the X-Files!</p>
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		<title>By: Ted V. McAllister</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/07/the-strange-lament-of-a-bohemian-conservative/#comment-9362</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted V. McAllister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 22:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regard to Peter&#039;s interest in human alienation (much of this explored in his discussions of my essay in postmodern conservative), Gilligan&#039;s Island deserves more attention than he acknowledges.  Gilligan was, as Peter noted, soul-less, but probably better described as lacking eros.  But he was well-adjusted to his environment.  He was Rousseau&#039;s most complete man.  Ginger was the most alienated because she could not find happiness finally on or off the island--in constant need as she was of outside affirmation of her ego--suicide was surely her fate eventually.  The Howells had truly discovered their happiness, though they never lost their habituated attachments to wealth.  Their wealth never helped them on the island--they never really needed to be rich anymore.  Mary Ann is more attractive to those drawn to this isle because she was more naturally herself, in need of only a normal amount of outside affirmation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regard to Peter&#8217;s interest in human alienation (much of this explored in his discussions of my essay in postmodern conservative), Gilligan&#8217;s Island deserves more attention than he acknowledges.  Gilligan was, as Peter noted, soul-less, but probably better described as lacking eros.  But he was well-adjusted to his environment.  He was Rousseau&#8217;s most complete man.  Ginger was the most alienated because she could not find happiness finally on or off the island&#8211;in constant need as she was of outside affirmation of her ego&#8211;suicide was surely her fate eventually.  The Howells had truly discovered their happiness, though they never lost their habituated attachments to wealth.  Their wealth never helped them on the island&#8211;they never really needed to be rich anymore.  Mary Ann is more attractive to those drawn to this isle because she was more naturally herself, in need of only a normal amount of outside affirmation.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred E. Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfred E. Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 21:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always preferred Mary Ann over Ginger, myself. Or is that too far from the discussion at hand ?</description>
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		<title>By: peter lawler</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gilligan is like Maynard G. without a soul--so you&#039;re right.  And I didn&#039;t mean my comments on Kirk to be criticism, just Bohemian observation.  Despite some who find Platonic meaning in GILLIGAN&#039;S ISLAND, I&#039;m with the more conventional critics who thought it just stunk.  Dobie is full of something much more like real people--including the ambitious Zelda Gilroy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gilligan is like Maynard G. without a soul&#8211;so you&#8217;re right.  And I didn&#8217;t mean my comments on Kirk to be criticism, just Bohemian observation.  Despite some who find Platonic meaning in GILLIGAN&#8217;S ISLAND, I&#8217;m with the more conventional critics who thought it just stunk.  Dobie is full of something much more like real people&#8211;including the ambitious Zelda Gilroy.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted McAllister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted McAllister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, if Maynard was famous for his aversion to work, Gilligan was more successful at being &quot;natural&quot; and &quot;authentic&quot; without the beatnik pretensions of Krebs.  Gilligan, oddly, was closer to Rousseau than Krebs--neither of them what I had in mind for my somewhat eccentric adoption of the label bohemian.

If by Kirk&#039;s &quot;uneven&quot; political judgments you mean that his were often at variance with yours, then I agree.  I&#039;ll push our agreement even further.  If one were to list the reasons for reading Kirk, his reflections on contemporary politics would be near the bottom--this is particularly true by the time he got involved in the election of 1992.  But I&#039;m not sure exactly what a normal job would be.  It sounds very much like those folk who use the hideous phrase &quot;real world&quot; to make reference to some privileged sphere of commercial activity.  It is safe to say that Kirk would not have been good at many professions, which is to say something obvious about almost all humans.

The fact of the matter, however, is that despite our very different ways of saying things, we agree much more than is seemly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, if Maynard was famous for his aversion to work, Gilligan was more successful at being &#8220;natural&#8221; and &#8220;authentic&#8221; without the beatnik pretensions of Krebs.  Gilligan, oddly, was closer to Rousseau than Krebs&#8211;neither of them what I had in mind for my somewhat eccentric adoption of the label bohemian.</p>
<p>If by Kirk&#8217;s &#8220;uneven&#8221; political judgments you mean that his were often at variance with yours, then I agree.  I&#8217;ll push our agreement even further.  If one were to list the reasons for reading Kirk, his reflections on contemporary politics would be near the bottom&#8211;this is particularly true by the time he got involved in the election of 1992.  But I&#8217;m not sure exactly what a normal job would be.  It sounds very much like those folk who use the hideous phrase &#8220;real world&#8221; to make reference to some privileged sphere of commercial activity.  It is safe to say that Kirk would not have been good at many professions, which is to say something obvious about almost all humans.</p>
<p>The fact of the matter, however, is that despite our very different ways of saying things, we agree much more than is seemly.</p>
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		<title>By: peter lawler</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted--Maynard G. Krebs--from the semi-classic show DOBIE GILLIS--was famous for his aversion to work.  Russell Kirk, whom I admire, couldn&#039;t really hold a normal job.  The same might be said of numerous professors, but Russell even found being a State U. professor too stultifying.  Kirk&#039;s political judgments are very uneven, and that&#039;s not why anyone serious would read him.  There are others who are masters of prudence but are boring otherwise, like the used-to-be-underrated Eisenhower or even the erotically challenged Bob Dole.  Burke, to recall the controversy at our conference, scores really high on the prudence-meter and at least moderately high on the bohemian one.  But he&#039;s the exception who proves the rule.  Otherwise, it seems we&#039;re pretty close to agreeing.  I&#039;m no Lockean, as you know, although we&#039;re stuck with Locke&#039;s inconvenient partial truth about our freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted&#8211;Maynard G. Krebs&#8211;from the semi-classic show DOBIE GILLIS&#8211;was famous for his aversion to work.  Russell Kirk, whom I admire, couldn&#8217;t really hold a normal job.  The same might be said of numerous professors, but Russell even found being a State U. professor too stultifying.  Kirk&#8217;s political judgments are very uneven, and that&#8217;s not why anyone serious would read him.  There are others who are masters of prudence but are boring otherwise, like the used-to-be-underrated Eisenhower or even the erotically challenged Bob Dole.  Burke, to recall the controversy at our conference, scores really high on the prudence-meter and at least moderately high on the bohemian one.  But he&#8217;s the exception who proves the rule.  Otherwise, it seems we&#8217;re pretty close to agreeing.  I&#8217;m no Lockean, as you know, although we&#8217;re stuck with Locke&#8217;s inconvenient partial truth about our freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 14:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first class in college that actually offered something substantial was Great Books. In that class our professor set up Plato v Aristotle aka Inductive v Deductive aka Ideal v Particular aka Philosopher v Scientist aka Religious v Agnostic.

All of these are oversimplifications and there is a poor (and in fact often misleading) parallel between any set of these pairs. For some reason, I&#039;ve never been able to fully unlearn that framework. I get stuck back in my freshman year over and over.

Thus why I reverted. Apologies.

Modern life does set up an interesting paradox, once your tradition is no tradition (or at least the apprehension of none) you can&#039;t really fix it by trying to artificially &quot;reviving&quot; tradition of some other time and place. Is this what you mean when you say we can&#039;t go back to the farm?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first class in college that actually offered something substantial was Great Books. In that class our professor set up Plato v Aristotle aka Inductive v Deductive aka Ideal v Particular aka Philosopher v Scientist aka Religious v Agnostic.</p>
<p>All of these are oversimplifications and there is a poor (and in fact often misleading) parallel between any set of these pairs. For some reason, I&#8217;ve never been able to fully unlearn that framework. I get stuck back in my freshman year over and over.</p>
<p>Thus why I reverted. Apologies.</p>
<p>Modern life does set up an interesting paradox, once your tradition is no tradition (or at least the apprehension of none) you can&#8217;t really fix it by trying to artificially &#8220;reviving&#8221; tradition of some other time and place. Is this what you mean when you say we can&#8217;t go back to the farm?</p>
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		<title>By: Ted McAllister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted McAllister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, Upon reflection, I&#039;m not sure the Plato v. Aristotle discussion takes us very far in the long run.  Some people seem to call themselves Platonic as a shorthand way of saying that they affirm some unchanging order to which we are bound and in which we are located.  I think it is unnecessary to invoke Plato for that purpose--Aristotle is sufficient for this particular claim.  Others know better than I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, Upon reflection, I&#8217;m not sure the Plato v. Aristotle discussion takes us very far in the long run.  Some people seem to call themselves Platonic as a shorthand way of saying that they affirm some unchanging order to which we are bound and in which we are located.  I think it is unnecessary to invoke Plato for that purpose&#8211;Aristotle is sufficient for this particular claim.  Others know better than I.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted McAllister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted McAllister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 00:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, I appreciate your comment, even if you impugn my beard.  Because you sometimes write elliptically, I&#039;m not certain I understand the full meaning of your reference to Kirk&#039;s competence and prudence.  But I agree very much with your comment about my essay when you write:  &quot;He could be clearer that our alienation–what ails us as persons–couldn’t be cured by going back to the farm.&quot;  I detect in your comment a critique that extends well beyond my essay, but it is a fair comment and one that deserves serious and extended treatment.  I hope to do that soon with an essay on a related subject, but I wish to emphasize right now that rootedness is not the same thing as being entirely &quot;adjusted&quot; to the world.  The human condition remains the pressing fact of our existence whether we live in a vibrant, &quot;organic&quot; community with rich traditions or a suburb and work in a corporation and know none of our neighbors.

More importantly, we cannot find answers to our deracinated condition by going back to the farm.  THe Lippmann quotation that I offer in my essay is, I think, true.  We cannot go back and nostalgia is a perverse answer to our needs.  Yet, better relationships with nature, with land, with our labor, with the commercial world are possible and products of our choices.  For some a life that is closer to nature and that incorporates farming, for instance, is more authentic and affirming than the disconnected existence in which many people feel trapped.  In the long run, there is no going home, however, because we can never make a home.

Finally, the Maynard G. Krebs reference is too dated for me, except that I might note that Krebs the proto-hippie turned into Gilligan, the focus of a socialist paradise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, I appreciate your comment, even if you impugn my beard.  Because you sometimes write elliptically, I&#8217;m not certain I understand the full meaning of your reference to Kirk&#8217;s competence and prudence.  But I agree very much with your comment about my essay when you write:  &#8220;He could be clearer that our alienation–what ails us as persons–couldn’t be cured by going back to the farm.&#8221;  I detect in your comment a critique that extends well beyond my essay, but it is a fair comment and one that deserves serious and extended treatment.  I hope to do that soon with an essay on a related subject, but I wish to emphasize right now that rootedness is not the same thing as being entirely &#8220;adjusted&#8221; to the world.  The human condition remains the pressing fact of our existence whether we live in a vibrant, &#8220;organic&#8221; community with rich traditions or a suburb and work in a corporation and know none of our neighbors.</p>
<p>More importantly, we cannot find answers to our deracinated condition by going back to the farm.  THe Lippmann quotation that I offer in my essay is, I think, true.  We cannot go back and nostalgia is a perverse answer to our needs.  Yet, better relationships with nature, with land, with our labor, with the commercial world are possible and products of our choices.  For some a life that is closer to nature and that incorporates farming, for instance, is more authentic and affirming than the disconnected existence in which many people feel trapped.  In the long run, there is no going home, however, because we can never make a home.</p>
<p>Finally, the Maynard G. Krebs reference is too dated for me, except that I might note that Krebs the proto-hippie turned into Gilligan, the focus of a socialist paradise.</p>
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		<title>By: peter lawler</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/07/the-strange-lament-of-a-bohemian-conservative/#comment-9122</link>
		<dc:creator>peter lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Ted with the long hair, scraggly beard, and other bohemian features:  I posted a comment at POSTMODERN CONSERVATIVE.  (It&#039;s both short and positive.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ted with the long hair, scraggly beard, and other bohemian features:  I posted a comment at POSTMODERN CONSERVATIVE.  (It&#8217;s both short and positive.)</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/07/the-strange-lament-of-a-bohemian-conservative/#comment-9000</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 03:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a dilemma in the Plato v Aristotle. I&#039;m simply not smart enough to know where I&#039;ve gone wrong. In some metaphysical sense, I suppose I&#039;m Platonic as it&#039;s being discussed here because my theological constructions suppose that everything precedes from God. But my anthropology is distinctly Aristotelian, even nominalistic, that rejects universals existentially. 

This brings in the mystery of the Incarnation where I experience God in Christ existentially, particularly, but who is sent as an image of the Father therefore is &quot;begotten&quot; of the Father who is the source of the Godhead. Christ seems to be both universal and particular. &quot;Before Abraham was, I am&quot; or the lamb slain &quot;before the foundation of the world.&quot; Or St John insisting that Jesus was in the beginning creating all things. Somehow the Incarnation exists outside of time and purpose or at least it&#039;s my feeble comprehension of the paradoxical theandrical statements of faith that are inadequate.

Anyway, that&#039;s more rambling than is good for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a dilemma in the Plato v Aristotle. I&#8217;m simply not smart enough to know where I&#8217;ve gone wrong. In some metaphysical sense, I suppose I&#8217;m Platonic as it&#8217;s being discussed here because my theological constructions suppose that everything precedes from God. But my anthropology is distinctly Aristotelian, even nominalistic, that rejects universals existentially. </p>
<p>This brings in the mystery of the Incarnation where I experience God in Christ existentially, particularly, but who is sent as an image of the Father therefore is &#8220;begotten&#8221; of the Father who is the source of the Godhead. Christ seems to be both universal and particular. &#8220;Before Abraham was, I am&#8221; or the lamb slain &#8220;before the foundation of the world.&#8221; Or St John insisting that Jesus was in the beginning creating all things. Somehow the Incarnation exists outside of time and purpose or at least it&#8217;s my feeble comprehension of the paradoxical theandrical statements of faith that are inadequate.</p>
<p>Anyway, that&#8217;s more rambling than is good for me.</p>
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