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		<title>By: Peter Payette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Payette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the ways to gain an appreciation for golf is to walk courses like the Downs, which are magnificent pieces of landscape architecture. Tom Doak tells us that Mackenzie later gave up golf design to take up another hobby, the cultivation of roses.

Another way is to hang out with golfers who play with hickory-shafted clubs. The Downs pro is, or has been, one of the top players on the little circuit that tours the country. They used to play at Kingsley every June, near the Downs, a design of another Mackenzie disciple Mike DeVries. Now I think they play a little further north at Belvedere (sp?) near Charlevoix. They&#039;re into the freedom of limits and the appeal of hickory golf is ell defined in terms of a reaction against the gross commercialization and modernization of the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the ways to gain an appreciation for golf is to walk courses like the Downs, which are magnificent pieces of landscape architecture. Tom Doak tells us that Mackenzie later gave up golf design to take up another hobby, the cultivation of roses.</p>
<p>Another way is to hang out with golfers who play with hickory-shafted clubs. The Downs pro is, or has been, one of the top players on the little circuit that tours the country. They used to play at Kingsley every June, near the Downs, a design of another Mackenzie disciple Mike DeVries. Now I think they play a little further north at Belvedere (sp?) near Charlevoix. They&#8217;re into the freedom of limits and the appeal of hickory golf is ell defined in terms of a reaction against the gross commercialization and modernization of the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crenshaw evidently plays CD at least once a year. So I was told. The 17th is reportedly his favorite hole.

Why golf? I&#039;m not the best in the world at anything, but every now and then I can play a hole as well as the best player in the world. There is no other sport, indeed no other endeavor, about which that is true. Golf is the human condition: being satisfied with intimations of perfection in the face of our pursuit thereof. Since part of that pursuit involves self-mastery, there is nothing I have ever attempted that exposes and challenges such mastery as does golf.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crenshaw evidently plays CD at least once a year. So I was told. The 17th is reportedly his favorite hole.</p>
<p>Why golf? I&#8217;m not the best in the world at anything, but every now and then I can play a hole as well as the best player in the world. There is no other sport, indeed no other endeavor, about which that is true. Golf is the human condition: being satisfied with intimations of perfection in the face of our pursuit thereof. Since part of that pursuit involves self-mastery, there is nothing I have ever attempted that exposes and challenges such mastery as does golf.</p>
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		<title>By: John Willson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Willson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article.  I&#039;m simpler than most of you, and can answer Grace Potts in the same simple way.  I like most of the people I meet on golf courses, I don&#039;t much care about the nuances of golf course design, I&#039;m old enough to appreciate the connection between man-made gardens and nature, and the game itself is an empirical proof of original sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.  I&#8217;m simpler than most of you, and can answer Grace Potts in the same simple way.  I like most of the people I meet on golf courses, I don&#8217;t much care about the nuances of golf course design, I&#8217;m old enough to appreciate the connection between man-made gardens and nature, and the game itself is an empirical proof of original sin.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;oh! I&#039;m getting ready for bed, and suddenly I remember Pine Barrens is a Tom Fazio design, not a Doak. Mea culpa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;oh! I&#8217;m getting ready for bed, and suddenly I remember Pine Barrens is a Tom Fazio design, not a Doak. Mea culpa.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason,

I am told that High Point has closed down, a victim of the bad economy. I have not had a chance to play it, but lament the lost opportunity. On the other hand, I once played a Tom Doak design down in the Tampa area: Pine Barrens, at World Woods Golf. It&#039;s part of a complex with Rolling Oaks, which I played on the afternoon of the same day. Pine Barrens is a BRUTAL course, but beautiful and well-designed. It&#039;s nothing like a Dye course: it has a very natural feel embedded in Florida&#039;s west coast, and works beautifully with its natural surroundings. It is one of my favorite courses I have played, but it is not for the faint of heart. Manifestly NOT a course for all skill levels. I should also recommend Arcadia Bluffs, but go before the end of the school year to take advantage of the spring rates. I don&#039;t like the greens on that course - I find them ridiculous - but the vistas are astonishing. From tee to green, it&#039;s a wonderful track.

As to how I got on to Crystal Downs: at graduation this year I was meeting with one of our graduates who was introducing me to his parents. His dad mentioned that he had a friend who was a member at Crystal Downs, and would like to thank me for &quot;all I had done&quot; for his son, and would I be interested in golfing a round at the course. Um ... ok. There was talk of making it an annual affair. Again: um ... ok. I also found out that the man who has been the head pro there for the last 33 years went to Hope. 

Zrim: given your note, you ought to try Pilgrim&#039;s Run, just north of Grand Rapids. One of the best tracks in the area, and each hole is named after something in Bunyan&#039;s work. The 18th hole is a load of fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,</p>
<p>I am told that High Point has closed down, a victim of the bad economy. I have not had a chance to play it, but lament the lost opportunity. On the other hand, I once played a Tom Doak design down in the Tampa area: Pine Barrens, at World Woods Golf. It&#8217;s part of a complex with Rolling Oaks, which I played on the afternoon of the same day. Pine Barrens is a BRUTAL course, but beautiful and well-designed. It&#8217;s nothing like a Dye course: it has a very natural feel embedded in Florida&#8217;s west coast, and works beautifully with its natural surroundings. It is one of my favorite courses I have played, but it is not for the faint of heart. Manifestly NOT a course for all skill levels. I should also recommend Arcadia Bluffs, but go before the end of the school year to take advantage of the spring rates. I don&#8217;t like the greens on that course &#8211; I find them ridiculous &#8211; but the vistas are astonishing. From tee to green, it&#8217;s a wonderful track.</p>
<p>As to how I got on to Crystal Downs: at graduation this year I was meeting with one of our graduates who was introducing me to his parents. His dad mentioned that he had a friend who was a member at Crystal Downs, and would like to thank me for &#8220;all I had done&#8221; for his son, and would I be interested in golfing a round at the course. Um &#8230; ok. There was talk of making it an annual affair. Again: um &#8230; ok. I also found out that the man who has been the head pro there for the last 33 years went to Hope. </p>
<p>Zrim: given your note, you ought to try Pilgrim&#8217;s Run, just north of Grand Rapids. One of the best tracks in the area, and each hole is named after something in Bunyan&#8217;s work. The 18th hole is a load of fun.</p>
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		<title>By: D.W. Sabin</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Potts, 
Having once enjoyed playing the environmental and botanical advisor to a golf course architect in the routing of some new holes through floodplain wetlands, I can tell you what the allure is. Walking through neck high Goldenrod on the other side of the river from the existing course, we kicked up ...aside from many balls....a cleanly broken Driver and one 5 Iron bent in a perfect 90 degree angle that had obviously been bent over knee and flung farther than the ball had flown. 30 yards farther along, a half empty bag was dug out of the brush and the make of the remaining clubs was the same as the 5 Iron. It is no mean feat to hurl a full bag of clubs clean over a riverine hedgerow. This is the allure, nowhere else in such a fine setting can a marginally bored suburban/exurbanite enjoy such a gut-fulfilling level of pure beautiful anger and deep despair as in a golf course. Its an almost primeval angst and we cavemen need it. Then one hits a stunningly perfect shot and the ups and downs of life are met with triumph. Birds sing and even your buddy owes you a drink.

Somebody should make little Petey Dye maintain one of his courses for a few weeks. There really is nothing like a vintage 20&#039;s course. My favorite was shaggy ole El Monte at the mouth of Ogden Canyon where we kiddies with our 7:30 am tee times would have to wait between howling morning wind gusts funneling out of the canyon to smack off the first tee and hopefully avoid sending a ball back through the window of the stone clubhouse 50 yards behind us. And then there was the time we snuck pa&#039;s clubs out and forgot to retrieve the crawdaddys stashed in the zippered ball pocket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Potts,<br />
Having once enjoyed playing the environmental and botanical advisor to a golf course architect in the routing of some new holes through floodplain wetlands, I can tell you what the allure is. Walking through neck high Goldenrod on the other side of the river from the existing course, we kicked up &#8230;aside from many balls&#8230;.a cleanly broken Driver and one 5 Iron bent in a perfect 90 degree angle that had obviously been bent over knee and flung farther than the ball had flown. 30 yards farther along, a half empty bag was dug out of the brush and the make of the remaining clubs was the same as the 5 Iron. It is no mean feat to hurl a full bag of clubs clean over a riverine hedgerow. This is the allure, nowhere else in such a fine setting can a marginally bored suburban/exurbanite enjoy such a gut-fulfilling level of pure beautiful anger and deep despair as in a golf course. Its an almost primeval angst and we cavemen need it. Then one hits a stunningly perfect shot and the ups and downs of life are met with triumph. Birds sing and even your buddy owes you a drink.</p>
<p>Somebody should make little Petey Dye maintain one of his courses for a few weeks. There really is nothing like a vintage 20&#8242;s course. My favorite was shaggy ole El Monte at the mouth of Ogden Canyon where we kiddies with our 7:30 am tee times would have to wait between howling morning wind gusts funneling out of the canyon to smack off the first tee and hopefully avoid sending a ball back through the window of the stone clubhouse 50 yards behind us. And then there was the time we snuck pa&#8217;s clubs out and forgot to retrieve the crawdaddys stashed in the zippered ball pocket.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should also add (after Zrim) that there&#039;s a Tom Doak designed course on 72 just east of TC &amp; Acme called &quot;High Point.&quot;  It should be called &quot;High Price,&quot; but it&#039;s half links half alpine.  Sweet sweet track.  Doak also did Black Forest, which can eat you alive.

Grace, only marriage is harder than golf.  We flagellants love it.  Plus there are only a few things in life prettier than a slight right-to-left ball flight off an elevated tee, and only few sounds more lovely than a golf ball finally hitting the bottom of the cup.

Polet, thanks for making my exile in IL more miserable today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also add (after Zrim) that there&#8217;s a Tom Doak designed course on 72 just east of TC &#038; Acme called &#8220;High Point.&#8221;  It should be called &#8220;High Price,&#8221; but it&#8217;s half links half alpine.  Sweet sweet track.  Doak also did Black Forest, which can eat you alive.</p>
<p>Grace, only marriage is harder than golf.  We flagellants love it.  Plus there are only a few things in life prettier than a slight right-to-left ball flight off an elevated tee, and only few sounds more lovely than a golf ball finally hitting the bottom of the cup.</p>
<p>Polet, thanks for making my exile in IL more miserable today.</p>
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		<title>By: Zrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a native of northern lower Michigan and avid golfer, it seems to me you&#039;ve not done much until you golf a rough-hewn links instead of a polished course. To this end, I&#039;d highly recommend a Michigan historical marker, Wawashkamo Golf club atop Mackinac Island. (I hear the caddy shack I inhabited the summer before college is more caddy than shack now.)

Grace, walking is the practice of pilgrims and golf is the practice of Presbyterians. We also admire alliteration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a native of northern lower Michigan and avid golfer, it seems to me you&#8217;ve not done much until you golf a rough-hewn links instead of a polished course. To this end, I&#8217;d highly recommend a Michigan historical marker, Wawashkamo Golf club atop Mackinac Island. (I hear the caddy shack I inhabited the summer before college is more caddy than shack now.)</p>
<p>Grace, walking is the practice of pilgrims and golf is the practice of Presbyterians. We also admire alliteration.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace Potts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grace Potts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is it with golf?  I just don&#039;t get the allure.  This is a serious question, any insight you gentlemen may have would be most welcome!

pax et bonum-
GP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is it with golf?  I just don&#8217;t get the allure.  This is a serious question, any insight you gentlemen may have would be most welcome!</p>
<p>pax et bonum-<br />
GP</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Polet, this is a great article and a welcome diversion on the Porch.  I&#039;ve grown to appreciate the game more in the last several years, mostly because I have tried it and found it to be incredibly difficult and rewarding.  Though I also find few things more satisfying than the vistas provided by a very early tee time on a crisp Saturday morning in January when the fog is still lifting, even if I only shoot 80 (on the front 9).

I did not golf when I was young, though Monroe County NY sported an incredibly high ratio of courses per resident, particularly for a northern town subject to cold late-Septembers and the random early May snow flurry.  Living in Houston, golf seems to invade the pores on your body.  You simply can&#039;t fight it - like the humidity which I am also learning to accept...strangely enough.  Half your friends in Houston have lived, are living, or will live in a planned community situated near a par 3.  Most people have tried the game, like a strong shot, at least once, and there must be a couple of bags in every self-respecting garage...even if they are quite dusty.

Anyway, I digress.  Here in the swamp, we have a course called Tour 18, which has copied 18 of the most well known holes from these great courses you discuss.  Having now &quot;played&quot; the 17th hole at Sawgrass several times, and come just inches shy of a hole in one, I can say it is the hole that keeps me coming back to play the game several times a year.  The memory of near perfection...I just can&#039;t shake it.  And those views...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Polet, this is a great article and a welcome diversion on the Porch.  I&#8217;ve grown to appreciate the game more in the last several years, mostly because I have tried it and found it to be incredibly difficult and rewarding.  Though I also find few things more satisfying than the vistas provided by a very early tee time on a crisp Saturday morning in January when the fog is still lifting, even if I only shoot 80 (on the front 9).</p>
<p>I did not golf when I was young, though Monroe County NY sported an incredibly high ratio of courses per resident, particularly for a northern town subject to cold late-Septembers and the random early May snow flurry.  Living in Houston, golf seems to invade the pores on your body.  You simply can&#8217;t fight it &#8211; like the humidity which I am also learning to accept&#8230;strangely enough.  Half your friends in Houston have lived, are living, or will live in a planned community situated near a par 3.  Most people have tried the game, like a strong shot, at least once, and there must be a couple of bags in every self-respecting garage&#8230;even if they are quite dusty.</p>
<p>Anyway, I digress.  Here in the swamp, we have a course called Tour 18, which has copied 18 of the most well known holes from these great courses you discuss.  Having now &#8220;played&#8221; the 17th hole at Sawgrass several times, and come just inches shy of a hole in one, I can say it is the hole that keeps me coming back to play the game several times a year.  The memory of near perfection&#8230;I just can&#8217;t shake it.  And those views&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben Crenshaw, I hear tell, once called Crystal Downs golf&#039;s best-kept secret.  The members are mainly to thank.  They wake the course up late in the spring, and they tuck it into bed early in the fall--a function of the northern MI clime, no doubt. 

A buddy and I were turned away at the entrance once (must have been the beat up Chevy Cavalier).  But a few years later, on my honeymoon, I made it all the way to the unassuming clubhouse (must have been my bride) and had a look at some of those world-class Mackenzie holes.  The superintendent then was a guy with a master&#039;s in English who thought better of life and got himself a turf degree too.

One FPRer to another:  how did you manage to get &lt;em&gt;on &lt;/em&gt;the course?  It&#039;s on my list of things to do before I shuffle off the mortal coil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Crenshaw, I hear tell, once called Crystal Downs golf&#8217;s best-kept secret.  The members are mainly to thank.  They wake the course up late in the spring, and they tuck it into bed early in the fall&#8211;a function of the northern MI clime, no doubt. </p>
<p>A buddy and I were turned away at the entrance once (must have been the beat up Chevy Cavalier).  But a few years later, on my honeymoon, I made it all the way to the unassuming clubhouse (must have been my bride) and had a look at some of those world-class Mackenzie holes.  The superintendent then was a guy with a master&#8217;s in English who thought better of life and got himself a turf degree too.</p>
<p>One FPRer to another:  how did you manage to get <em>on </em>the course?  It&#8217;s on my list of things to do before I shuffle off the mortal coil.</p>
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