Comments on: Basque in It http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/10/basque-in-it/ Place. Limits. Liberty. Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:52:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Ryan Ferris http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/10/basque-in-it/#comment-22354 Ryan Ferris Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:40:15 +0000 http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=6658#comment-22354 Hey Mr. Kauffman, I enjoyed Dispatches from the Muckdog Gazette it taught me a lot about our area. I always wanted to know why Mr. Conable would take a job like President of the World Bank? That just sounds much worse then taking a lobbyist position. I am no big fan of lobbyists but World Bank, IMF or the Federal Reserve System are three organizations that I have come to believe, that they don't do very much to help the local communities in our country or others around the world. I bet Dick Cheney's close friends think he's a great guy. Also, I recently just heard that our State Senators have introduced legislation for a vote on secession from the NYC area. Have you wrote any articles on this? If you haven't what's your opinion of the matter....do you think it's just a distraction or do you believe they may be passionate about this? Hey Mr. Kauffman, I enjoyed Dispatches from the Muckdog Gazette it taught me a lot about our area. I always wanted to know why Mr. Conable would take a job like President of the World Bank? That just sounds much worse then taking a lobbyist position. I am no big fan of lobbyists but World Bank, IMF or the Federal Reserve System are three organizations that I have come to believe, that they don’t do very much to help the local communities in our country or others around the world. I bet Dick Cheney’s close friends think he’s a great guy.
Also, I recently just heard that our State Senators have introduced legislation for a vote on secession from the NYC area. Have you wrote any articles on this? If you haven’t what’s your opinion of the matter….do you think it’s just a distraction or do you believe they may be passionate about this?

]]> By: MMH http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/10/basque-in-it/#comment-21208 MMH Tue, 27 Oct 2009 00:14:51 +0000 http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=6658#comment-21208 I was struck by your, "I care about place, not race". What I find interesting is that it's generally white Americans who have no interest in race or heritage; the rest of us don't really have that luxury as, like it or not, we're tagged to some extent by our appearance. I'm half oriental(I still prefer this term to the currently accepted "Asian"), and, growing up overseas in the American diplomatic community, thought of myself primarily as American, even as white, and not Filipina-American. When I entered graduate school, however, I discovered that others tagged me very much as oriental, not even as mixed race--the old if you have a drop of black blood, you're considered black. I was actually told in so many words that I would never be viewed just as Jane Doe; I'd always be seen first as an Asian woman. So I couldn't very well ignore ethnicity. What also surpised me as I grew older, is that despite my never having much contact with my mother's country or family, I feel a definite tie with the Philippines and other Filipinos. I don't think that place and race are mutually exclusive; indeed, my feeling a tie with my mother's people seems to me closely related to the tie I have with the Southern sense of place I inherited to some degree from my father. I was struck by your, “I care about place, not race”. What I find interesting is that it’s generally white Americans who have no interest in race or heritage; the rest of us don’t really have that luxury as, like it or not, we’re tagged to some extent by our appearance. I’m half oriental(I still prefer this term to the currently accepted “Asian”), and, growing up overseas in the American diplomatic community, thought of myself primarily as American, even as white, and not Filipina-American. When I entered graduate school, however, I discovered that others tagged me very much as oriental, not even as mixed race–the old if you have a drop of black blood, you’re considered black. I was actually told in so many words that I would never be viewed just as Jane Doe; I’d always be seen first as an Asian woman. So I couldn’t very well ignore ethnicity. What also surpised me as I grew older, is that despite my never having much contact with my mother’s country or family, I feel a definite tie with the Philippines and other Filipinos. I don’t think that place and race are mutually exclusive; indeed, my feeling a tie with my mother’s people seems to me closely related to the tie I have with the Southern sense of place I inherited to some degree from my father.

]]> By: John Willson http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/10/basque-in-it/#comment-20819 John Willson Fri, 23 Oct 2009 02:56:32 +0000 http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=6658#comment-20819 Bill, Don't kid us about the race card. You are always bragging about the minoriest minorities in the whole of the US of A. I can't even come close--had a Dutch uncle once, but otherwise only English, English, English. As my students used to say, boooooooorrrrrrrrring! Besides, right now it's cool to claim Basques; can you imagine having to admit to, say, German? In the end I agree: Go Batavia! Go Phelps! Bill, Don’t kid us about the race card. You are always bragging about the minoriest minorities in the whole of the US of A. I can’t even come close–had a Dutch uncle once, but otherwise only English, English, English. As my students used to say, boooooooorrrrrrrrring! Besides, right now it’s cool to claim Basques; can you imagine having to admit to, say, German? In the end I agree: Go Batavia! Go Phelps!

]]> By: Bill Kauffman http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/10/basque-in-it/#comment-20536 Bill Kauffman Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:42:20 +0000 http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=6658#comment-20536 Barber Conable represented us in Congress for ten terms. Several times he was voted "most respected" member of the House in polls of his colleagues, staffers, and Congress-watchers. He refused any campaign contribution greater than $50, even when organized labor targeted him in the Watergate election of 1974. Conable retired to his home in Alexander, NY, after the 1984 election. He accepted the presidency of the World Bank in 1986 and served one five-year term. He came home for good in 1991. He was a man fully at home in his place. He gave terrific off-the-cuff lectures on local history, local culture, local art, local flora. I served with him for several years on the board of directors of our county historical society. (He manned the cashbox at our yard sales---the World Bank training had come in handy.) I devoted a chapter to Mr. Conable in Dispatches from the Muckdog Gazette. He was among the greatest men I have ever known. Barber Conable represented us in Congress for ten terms. Several times he was voted “most respected” member of the House in polls of his colleagues, staffers, and Congress-watchers. He refused any campaign contribution greater than $50, even when organized labor targeted him in the Watergate election of 1974. Conable retired to his home in Alexander, NY, after the 1984 election. He accepted the presidency of the World Bank in 1986 and served one five-year term. He came home for good in 1991. He was a man fully at home in his place. He gave terrific off-the-cuff lectures on local history, local culture, local art, local flora. I served with him for several years on the board of directors of our county historical society. (He manned the cashbox at our yard sales—the World Bank training had come in handy.) I devoted a chapter to Mr. Conable in Dispatches from the Muckdog Gazette. He was among the greatest men I have ever known.

]]> By: Seamus http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/10/basque-in-it/#comment-20525 Seamus Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:47:44 +0000 http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=6658#comment-20525 I thought Barber Conable became president of the World Bank after leaving Congress. Not quite the same thing as becoming a lobbyist, but not what I'd call the most noble calling, either. I thought Barber Conable became president of the World Bank after leaving Congress. Not quite the same thing as becoming a lobbyist, but not what I’d call the most noble calling, either.

]]> By: D.W. Sabin http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/10/basque-in-it/#comment-20282 D.W. Sabin Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:14:51 +0000 http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=6658#comment-20282 As a kid, we had the twice yearly pleasure of watching Basque sheep herders with their distinctive quonset-hut wagons move their herd between the flats out by the Great Salt Lake and the high mountain valleys to the east. They would camp for a few days in the sage flats below the house to gird for or recover from the trip over the ridgeline of the Wasatch Range. The grazing lands were developed to housing after I left . It always brought the west directly into ones sensibilities to see these twice annual drives and their wagon parked below. The culture is alive and kicking still in southern Idaho and northern Nevada and you can enjoy their fantastic food and salubrious company at an occasional festival from Elko to Boise or even a tad into southeast Oregon toward Steens Mtn.. They inhabit that starkly grand landscape that is the real Nevada from the Rubies to the Jarbridge...the aptly named GREAT Basin...some of the most spectacular mountain scenery and valley depositional geomorphology seen anywhere on the planet. To look at a Great Basin depositional bench fanning out from a box canyon and into the vanished depths of an ancient phantom lake is to contemplate a span of time that chastens you to a state of proper humility if the stark and harsh beauty or fleet-footed Antelope or coyote warble aint done the job enough already. Don't know about the bomb throwing version in Spain, but the few Basque I had the pleasure of spending any time with were some fine and warm people. The Framers preferred a part time Washington where the politicians couldn't wait to get out of there so they could attend to their living at home. This proper deal was queered way too long ago and now the Czars and Czarettes stay on after they "retire"...along with "retired" military....in order to reap the standard rewards of empire. The land...the States..... are becoming little more than lines on a map. The Apparatchiks will not be removed voluntarily. As a kid, we had the twice yearly pleasure of watching Basque sheep herders with their distinctive quonset-hut wagons move their herd between the flats out by the Great Salt Lake and the high mountain valleys to the east. They would camp for a few days in the sage flats below the house to gird for or recover from the trip over the ridgeline of the Wasatch Range. The grazing lands were developed to housing after I left . It always brought the west directly into ones sensibilities to see these twice annual drives and their wagon parked below.

The culture is alive and kicking still in southern Idaho and northern Nevada and you can enjoy their fantastic food and salubrious company at an occasional festival from Elko to Boise or even a tad into southeast Oregon toward Steens Mtn.. They inhabit that starkly grand landscape that is the real Nevada from the Rubies to the Jarbridge…the aptly named GREAT Basin…some of the most spectacular mountain scenery and valley depositional geomorphology seen anywhere on the planet. To look at a Great Basin depositional bench fanning out from a box canyon and into the vanished depths of an ancient phantom lake is to contemplate a span of time that chastens you to a state of proper humility if the stark and harsh beauty or fleet-footed Antelope or coyote warble aint done the job enough already. Don’t know about the bomb throwing version in Spain, but the few Basque I had the pleasure of spending any time with were some fine and warm people.

The Framers preferred a part time Washington where the politicians couldn’t wait to get out of there so they could attend to their living at home. This proper deal was queered way too long ago and now the Czars and Czarettes stay on after they “retire”…along with “retired” military….in order to reap the standard rewards of empire. The land…the States….. are becoming little more than lines on a map. The Apparatchiks will not be removed voluntarily.

]]> By: John Médaille http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/10/basque-in-it/#comment-20280 John Médaille Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:03:50 +0000 http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=6658#comment-20280 Thomas, that's a shrewd observation. The large-scale successes of distributism--Mondragon, Emilia-Romagna, and the Land to the Tiller program of Taiwan, have all been in culturally mature and united places. This is not surprising since culture is foundational to anything that humans do, and a weak culture will lead to weak results, no matter how strong the theory. Of course, the culture makes possible the institutions, and the institutions sustain and develop the culture, so it is a reiterative process. On a smaller scale, an entrepreneur like Jack Stack who built the employee-owned Springfield Remanufacturing Company found that he had to develop a culture of entrepreneurship within the company in order to get employee-ownership to work to its full potential. But everybody has to start from where they are, and part of the task of rebuilding our broken culture is rebuilding our broken economic system. Thomas, that’s a shrewd observation. The large-scale successes of distributism–Mondragon, Emilia-Romagna, and the Land to the Tiller program of Taiwan, have all been in culturally mature and united places. This is not surprising since culture is foundational to anything that humans do, and a weak culture will lead to weak results, no matter how strong the theory. Of course, the culture makes possible the institutions, and the institutions sustain and develop the culture, so it is a reiterative process.

On a smaller scale, an entrepreneur like Jack Stack who built the employee-owned Springfield Remanufacturing Company found that he had to develop a culture of entrepreneurship within the company in order to get employee-ownership to work to its full potential.

But everybody has to start from where they are, and part of the task of rebuilding our broken culture is rebuilding our broken economic system.

]]> By: Thomas G. http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/10/basque-in-it/#comment-20269 Thomas G. Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:59:43 +0000 http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=6658#comment-20269 John, I'm glad you mentioned Mondragon. I have studied them as a cooperative, and a real unique model of how to run a business based on Stewardship Theory (as opposed to shareholder theory). One thing I have wondered is how much of the success of Mondragon is tied to the rootedness of the Basque culture, and the strength of the Basque identity. I think that must have a lot to do with their long view, and desire to build a cooperative based on distributive principles. I wonder if it would be possible to emulate the Mondragon model in a society without such a strong sense of community, and shared identity. What are your thoughts on this? Tom John,
I’m glad you mentioned Mondragon. I have studied them as a cooperative, and a real unique model of how to run a business based on Stewardship Theory (as opposed to shareholder theory). One thing I have wondered is how much of the success of Mondragon is tied to the rootedness of the Basque culture, and the strength of the Basque identity. I think that must have a lot to do with their long view, and desire to build a cooperative based on distributive principles. I wonder if it would be possible to emulate the Mondragon model in a society without such a strong sense of community, and shared identity. What are your thoughts on this?
Tom

]]> By: John Médaille http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/10/basque-in-it/#comment-20250 John Médaille Mon, 19 Oct 2009 12:56:42 +0000 http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=6658#comment-20250 The Basques occupy a place of pre-eminence and honor in the history of Distributism because of the tremendous success Mondragon Cooperative Corporation, which proves distributist industrial technique is stable and productive over long periods of time (http://distributism.blogspot.com/2008/07/industrial-strength-distributism.html) The Basques occupy a place of pre-eminence and honor in the history of Distributism because of the tremendous success Mondragon Cooperative Corporation, which proves distributist industrial technique is stable and productive over long periods of time (http://distributism.blogspot.com/2008/07/industrial-strength-distributism.html)

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