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		<title>By: Bruce Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a postscript, yesterday I came across a perjorative use of the word “socialism” that gave me pause for thought, but first a little history. In hunter-gatherer times there was primitive communism, or socialism, then along came herding, agriculture, property and money, the whole commoditization of nature and class divide stemming from the theory of surplus value where the worker is only paid part of the value of their labor allowing accumulation of capital owned by the few. Here is Marx’s theory of human economic history from Wikipedia:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_history

Of course the rest of history after Marx shows that we prefer our market capitalism because of the freedom to develop and choose our goods and services. However, two things that Marx told us was that capital would pursue profit from other countries through globalization and that in pursuit of profit there would be a drive towards monopolization. Phillip Blond, the English, Red Tory philosopher uses the term modal monopoly in reference to the globalization of credit and manipulation of the financial markets. See here for a brief explanation of his view with a link to his original Prospect magazine article that fully develops his thesis:-

http://www.humaneeconomy.com/?p=199#comments

Phillip Blond is clearly saying that capitalism is ambivalent. It may give freedom to develop and choose our goods and services but it also creates massive dysfunction through the relentless pursuit of profit. He also argues that it is more basic than that, it is a splitter of human society. We increasingly live in an age of two human tribes. The Invisible Hand under our current predominant version of capitalism separates a few one way and the many another. The prospect of unity for the human tribe is, therefore, denied by this ambivalence. It is generated we know by our hard-wired natures of being both self and other concerned. Through the development of language, however, we are dialogical creatures, prone to have dialogue with each other to discuss matters and take joint decisions to deal with those matters and frequently these include problems arising from our hard-wired natures. It, therefore, seems obvious that the worthiness of any economic and political philosophy should be defined by its prospects for healing this split. The act of deciding matters together, to use democracy, is our best way to achieve this. It is the absence of democracy that creates the tribal split. 

What was that perjorative use of the word “socialism?” Well it was somebody saying that because democracy is weak in an era of global monopolization we live in an age of “Socialism for The Rich.” And that I guess brings us back to the start, this article on China!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a postscript, yesterday I came across a perjorative use of the word “socialism” that gave me pause for thought, but first a little history. In hunter-gatherer times there was primitive communism, or socialism, then along came herding, agriculture, property and money, the whole commoditization of nature and class divide stemming from the theory of surplus value where the worker is only paid part of the value of their labor allowing accumulation of capital owned by the few. Here is Marx’s theory of human economic history from Wikipedia:-</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_history" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx%27s_theory_of_history</a></p>
<p>Of course the rest of history after Marx shows that we prefer our market capitalism because of the freedom to develop and choose our goods and services. However, two things that Marx told us was that capital would pursue profit from other countries through globalization and that in pursuit of profit there would be a drive towards monopolization. Phillip Blond, the English, Red Tory philosopher uses the term modal monopoly in reference to the globalization of credit and manipulation of the financial markets. See here for a brief explanation of his view with a link to his original Prospect magazine article that fully develops his thesis:-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.humaneeconomy.com/?p=199#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.humaneeconomy.com/?p=199#comments</a></p>
<p>Phillip Blond is clearly saying that capitalism is ambivalent. It may give freedom to develop and choose our goods and services but it also creates massive dysfunction through the relentless pursuit of profit. He also argues that it is more basic than that, it is a splitter of human society. We increasingly live in an age of two human tribes. The Invisible Hand under our current predominant version of capitalism separates a few one way and the many another. The prospect of unity for the human tribe is, therefore, denied by this ambivalence. It is generated we know by our hard-wired natures of being both self and other concerned. Through the development of language, however, we are dialogical creatures, prone to have dialogue with each other to discuss matters and take joint decisions to deal with those matters and frequently these include problems arising from our hard-wired natures. It, therefore, seems obvious that the worthiness of any economic and political philosophy should be defined by its prospects for healing this split. The act of deciding matters together, to use democracy, is our best way to achieve this. It is the absence of democracy that creates the tribal split. </p>
<p>What was that perjorative use of the word “socialism?” Well it was somebody saying that because democracy is weak in an era of global monopolization we live in an age of “Socialism for The Rich.” And that I guess brings us back to the start, this article on China!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GAS. Equally if the Federal Reserve is run by neoliberals brings you up against the current arrangement of thinking a quasi-governmental body run by “experts” (experts who didn’t foresee the credit bubble crash) will not have an agency problem and a partisan political problem. I don&#039;t think you can avoid, or should always avoid, politics in such an important issue as setting market parameters and economic objectives. The issue that is usually argued, however, is that you should deter electioneering conflicting with what&#039;s best for national economic outcomes which results in the trustee solution. I think it possible to substantially reduce the agency problem with the right revolving doors and anti-corruption laws. It has been proposed the 12 Federal Reserve Banks have boards that are democratically elected with prospective candidates running for election on the usual basis of expertise and/or political affiliation/ideology. Whether 12 banks are sufficient I’m not sure but in my concept of how things can run better increasing the number of individuals democratically involved in decision making does have the benefit of getting fresh analyzes, ideas and solutions on the table and the economy is if nothing like a very fast and adaptive organism and you do need adaptive solutions to control its direction. Relying on self-regulation in the market to control the formation of bubbles obviously hasn’t worked irrespective of Greenspan and the Federal Reserve governors relying on a cheap money parameters policy (It was the cheap money policy wot made me blow the bubble Gov, honest!). Allowing credit to freeze up as a result of excess profligacy being punished would have resulted in chaos with nobody getting paid because trust had evaporated due to the banks not trusting each others paper or financial standing. Lehman Brothers filing for bankruptcy proved that. Interestingly with regard to testing adaptive solutions, the Swiss now use a lot of computer voting on referenda issues and regional Federal Reserve Banks could also make use of this mechanism for feed-back on proposals. I suspect that such a solution would deliver more of a right wing consensus on matters financial and economic at this stage in America’s development but increased democratization has the benefit of making that consensus more involved and therefore reflective of their decisions.

For me the contracts issue is still the same that political views and agency issues intrude into the legal enforcement (It’s the same old trustee issues. Take corporate person-hood as an example.). I also don’t think you can separate out the market from government as you do. They’ve grown up together in the sense that lying behind money is a bunch of regulations that need enforcing but also that money represents votes and a lot of people get out-voted in the marketplace leading to income problems which government ameliorates. You only have to look at government expenditure breakdown to see how much is going to make up for income not gained in the marketplace. It would lead to a more peaceful life if you could take politics and agency issues out of human affairs but you can’t and this is why we continue to look for democratic solutions articulated through more representative bodies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GAS. Equally if the Federal Reserve is run by neoliberals brings you up against the current arrangement of thinking a quasi-governmental body run by “experts” (experts who didn’t foresee the credit bubble crash) will not have an agency problem and a partisan political problem. I don&#8217;t think you can avoid, or should always avoid, politics in such an important issue as setting market parameters and economic objectives. The issue that is usually argued, however, is that you should deter electioneering conflicting with what&#8217;s best for national economic outcomes which results in the trustee solution. I think it possible to substantially reduce the agency problem with the right revolving doors and anti-corruption laws. It has been proposed the 12 Federal Reserve Banks have boards that are democratically elected with prospective candidates running for election on the usual basis of expertise and/or political affiliation/ideology. Whether 12 banks are sufficient I’m not sure but in my concept of how things can run better increasing the number of individuals democratically involved in decision making does have the benefit of getting fresh analyzes, ideas and solutions on the table and the economy is if nothing like a very fast and adaptive organism and you do need adaptive solutions to control its direction. Relying on self-regulation in the market to control the formation of bubbles obviously hasn’t worked irrespective of Greenspan and the Federal Reserve governors relying on a cheap money parameters policy (It was the cheap money policy wot made me blow the bubble Gov, honest!). Allowing credit to freeze up as a result of excess profligacy being punished would have resulted in chaos with nobody getting paid because trust had evaporated due to the banks not trusting each others paper or financial standing. Lehman Brothers filing for bankruptcy proved that. Interestingly with regard to testing adaptive solutions, the Swiss now use a lot of computer voting on referenda issues and regional Federal Reserve Banks could also make use of this mechanism for feed-back on proposals. I suspect that such a solution would deliver more of a right wing consensus on matters financial and economic at this stage in America’s development but increased democratization has the benefit of making that consensus more involved and therefore reflective of their decisions.</p>
<p>For me the contracts issue is still the same that political views and agency issues intrude into the legal enforcement (It’s the same old trustee issues. Take corporate person-hood as an example.). I also don’t think you can separate out the market from government as you do. They’ve grown up together in the sense that lying behind money is a bunch of regulations that need enforcing but also that money represents votes and a lot of people get out-voted in the marketplace leading to income problems which government ameliorates. You only have to look at government expenditure breakdown to see how much is going to make up for income not gained in the marketplace. It would lead to a more peaceful life if you could take politics and agency issues out of human affairs but you can’t and this is why we continue to look for democratic solutions articulated through more representative bodies.</p>
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		<title>By: GAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>GAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce,
Epstein&#039;s main proposal is congressional oversight of the Fed.  If Congress is run by Socialists the Fed will merely become a tool for redistribution of wealth.

Some of the other proposals have some merit and may work to some degree to limit collusion amongst bankers.

But earlier you said, &quot;There is no example of a complex society where these issues are resolved solely on a contractual basis.&quot;  That&#039;s because it has never been tried in a complex society!  If the contracts aren&#039;t enforced then the contract is null and void anyways!

I asked before on this forum what tort reforms could be implemented so that citizens have equal access to the legal system.  No response.  Now the problem may have been I asked an actual working attorney.  The problem with Epstein&#039;s proposals are they still are vulnerable to politics and collusion.  If you want real democratization of the Fed open up the closed legal system so that contracts can actually be enforced.  Make the bankers actually hold up their contracts instead of bailing them out.  Their is nothing inherently wrong with derivatives as they spread risk but when it&#039;s done in a closed system with no real consequences the bankers have nothing to lose.

And speaking of pejoratives, &quot;counterfeit cdo and cds&#039;&quot;, &quot;warmongering&quot;, etc., make my comments seem quaint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce,<br />
Epstein&#8217;s main proposal is congressional oversight of the Fed.  If Congress is run by Socialists the Fed will merely become a tool for redistribution of wealth.</p>
<p>Some of the other proposals have some merit and may work to some degree to limit collusion amongst bankers.</p>
<p>But earlier you said, &#8220;There is no example of a complex society where these issues are resolved solely on a contractual basis.&#8221;  That&#8217;s because it has never been tried in a complex society!  If the contracts aren&#8217;t enforced then the contract is null and void anyways!</p>
<p>I asked before on this forum what tort reforms could be implemented so that citizens have equal access to the legal system.  No response.  Now the problem may have been I asked an actual working attorney.  The problem with Epstein&#8217;s proposals are they still are vulnerable to politics and collusion.  If you want real democratization of the Fed open up the closed legal system so that contracts can actually be enforced.  Make the bankers actually hold up their contracts instead of bailing them out.  Their is nothing inherently wrong with derivatives as they spread risk but when it&#8217;s done in a closed system with no real consequences the bankers have nothing to lose.</p>
<p>And speaking of pejoratives, &#8220;counterfeit cdo and cds&#8217;&#8221;, &#8220;warmongering&#8221;, etc., make my comments seem quaint.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 23:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greenspan was warned three years before the Financial Crash about the danger of the Credit Bubble by the Bank for International Settlements:-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/2794461/Governments-caused-the-credit-crisis-but-capitalism-gets-the-blame.html

Obama wants the Federal Reserve to be the lead enforcer for the proposed Regulatory Oversight Council!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greenspan was warned three years before the Financial Crash about the danger of the Credit Bubble by the Bank for International Settlements:-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/2794461/Governments-caused-the-credit-crisis-but-capitalism-gets-the-blame.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/2794461/Governments-caused-the-credit-crisis-but-capitalism-gets-the-blame.html</a></p>
<p>Obama wants the Federal Reserve to be the lead enforcer for the proposed Regulatory Oversight Council!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My position is simple. Capitalism I regard as ambivalent unlike yourself. I see it as both beneficial and exploitative. I see it as driven by innovation, competitiveness and greed. Most people would agree the purpose of an economy is to give benefit to all. The central issue, therefore, becomes one of how incentive can be combined with fairness and both with sustainability. I have tried to show that far from autocracy being confined to Marxist, or Socialist, countries the United States is already living under autocracy, or socialism, in the form of an oligarchic socialism in which an unaccountable Federal Reserve, owned and dominated by a private banking elite, determines the parameters of the economy. Of course, this elite, works with other capitalist elites and politicians to maintain ascendancy. The banking elite, however, is key. It strongly resists any form of democratic regulation of its activities because this would restrict its abilities to make profits either through the creation of highly leveraged public and private debt without moral hazard, arbitrage and even outright fraud such as the counterfeit CDO’s and CDS’s. Indeed since much profit is made from gambling maintaining a volatile economy of boom/busts is very much in the interests of banks through credit expansion and going long on the rise and short on the fall. If it can avoid debt exposure by bundling and selling loans on to other unsuspecting customers it has the finest of all possible worlds and if it can lend money to governments for Keynesian fiscal expansion after the market’s boom/bust activities have crashed the economy, or encouragement of war mongering, or government borrowing to prop up health care and social security through declining real wages and hence tax take then so much the better for bank profits. Major banks always look to profit from any opportunity that arises, or they can manufacture, irrespective of the effect on the economy or the wisdom of the device. Their exploitative behavior dominates the beneficial. After all they don’t have to run the country. For those who do have to live in the country and suffer the consequences of their behavior it is only natural and fair that democratically determined regulation should be sought. This is why the Federal Reserve should be made accountable and why it will avoid being given the role of single regulator under the Obama regime as Obama so naively wanted earlier this year. The bankers realized this would put the Fed too much under the spot light and they will push for a toothless watch dog council to maintain watch over the existing regulators. The bankers fear no attack on their autocracy from Obama since he is unlikely to attempt to democratize the Fed under the mistaken belief there is no democratic alternative to the Fed maintaining their “independent” autonomy from electioneering politicians. Obama still mistakenly subscribes to the Fed line that their mission is to direct the economy in the long term interests of “the people.” The bankers have, however, got to do their best to undermine certain Democrat and independent-minded politicians like Ron Paul who challenge their autocracy and arguments.

Finally, in using the terms “covetous” and “socialism” I would argue you are again using them perjoratively and coercively in trying to denigrate the idea that there should be democratic regulation of capitalism, or indeed democratic decision about the provision of other goods and services such as education. The double irony of this coerciveness, however, is the socialism you so much detest already exists right under your nose in the form of oligarchic socialism as I state earlier. This, of course, is also the irony that over the last thirty years of the neo-liberal mantra of market fundamentalism the ideology was conspicuously silent with regard to democratic theory. The result has been the ideology’s unglorious unmasking with the Financial Crash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My position is simple. Capitalism I regard as ambivalent unlike yourself. I see it as both beneficial and exploitative. I see it as driven by innovation, competitiveness and greed. Most people would agree the purpose of an economy is to give benefit to all. The central issue, therefore, becomes one of how incentive can be combined with fairness and both with sustainability. I have tried to show that far from autocracy being confined to Marxist, or Socialist, countries the United States is already living under autocracy, or socialism, in the form of an oligarchic socialism in which an unaccountable Federal Reserve, owned and dominated by a private banking elite, determines the parameters of the economy. Of course, this elite, works with other capitalist elites and politicians to maintain ascendancy. The banking elite, however, is key. It strongly resists any form of democratic regulation of its activities because this would restrict its abilities to make profits either through the creation of highly leveraged public and private debt without moral hazard, arbitrage and even outright fraud such as the counterfeit CDO’s and CDS’s. Indeed since much profit is made from gambling maintaining a volatile economy of boom/busts is very much in the interests of banks through credit expansion and going long on the rise and short on the fall. If it can avoid debt exposure by bundling and selling loans on to other unsuspecting customers it has the finest of all possible worlds and if it can lend money to governments for Keynesian fiscal expansion after the market’s boom/bust activities have crashed the economy, or encouragement of war mongering, or government borrowing to prop up health care and social security through declining real wages and hence tax take then so much the better for bank profits. Major banks always look to profit from any opportunity that arises, or they can manufacture, irrespective of the effect on the economy or the wisdom of the device. Their exploitative behavior dominates the beneficial. After all they don’t have to run the country. For those who do have to live in the country and suffer the consequences of their behavior it is only natural and fair that democratically determined regulation should be sought. This is why the Federal Reserve should be made accountable and why it will avoid being given the role of single regulator under the Obama regime as Obama so naively wanted earlier this year. The bankers realized this would put the Fed too much under the spot light and they will push for a toothless watch dog council to maintain watch over the existing regulators. The bankers fear no attack on their autocracy from Obama since he is unlikely to attempt to democratize the Fed under the mistaken belief there is no democratic alternative to the Fed maintaining their “independent” autonomy from electioneering politicians. Obama still mistakenly subscribes to the Fed line that their mission is to direct the economy in the long term interests of “the people.” The bankers have, however, got to do their best to undermine certain Democrat and independent-minded politicians like Ron Paul who challenge their autocracy and arguments.</p>
<p>Finally, in using the terms “covetous” and “socialism” I would argue you are again using them perjoratively and coercively in trying to denigrate the idea that there should be democratic regulation of capitalism, or indeed democratic decision about the provision of other goods and services such as education. The double irony of this coerciveness, however, is the socialism you so much detest already exists right under your nose in the form of oligarchic socialism as I state earlier. This, of course, is also the irony that over the last thirty years of the neo-liberal mantra of market fundamentalism the ideology was conspicuously silent with regard to democratic theory. The result has been the ideology’s unglorious unmasking with the Financial Crash.</p>
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		<title>By: GAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>GAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 05:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce thanks for the links.

I don&#039;t have a problem with these proposals but my point is that under the current leadership these reforms don&#039;t have a snowballs chance in hell.

And its far worse than just the Agency theory, which is clearly evident, but the fact that through the Agency theory the electorate is soft pedaled Socialism to make it more appeasable by word games and Ad Hom attacks against its opponents.  Probably a 1/3 of the electorate is already convinced of Socialism and another 1/3 of the electorate is gullible to emotive appeals for it.  Add to that the Education system is run and taught by Socialists.

The best we can hope for is that the next election cycle the electorate wake up and remove some of the Socialists so that the bullet train to Socialism that we are currently riding slows down some.  The earliest possible date for these proposals is probably 4 years but that would require some pretty nifty politics to occur.  One of the keys to that will be how we frame the issues and the words we use.  If we frame it the same as the Socialists, as an envy of wealth and the covetous taking of that wealth, how would the electorate discern the difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce thanks for the links.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with these proposals but my point is that under the current leadership these reforms don&#8217;t have a snowballs chance in hell.</p>
<p>And its far worse than just the Agency theory, which is clearly evident, but the fact that through the Agency theory the electorate is soft pedaled Socialism to make it more appeasable by word games and Ad Hom attacks against its opponents.  Probably a 1/3 of the electorate is already convinced of Socialism and another 1/3 of the electorate is gullible to emotive appeals for it.  Add to that the Education system is run and taught by Socialists.</p>
<p>The best we can hope for is that the next election cycle the electorate wake up and remove some of the Socialists so that the bullet train to Socialism that we are currently riding slows down some.  The earliest possible date for these proposals is probably 4 years but that would require some pretty nifty politics to occur.  One of the keys to that will be how we frame the issues and the words we use.  If we frame it the same as the Socialists, as an envy of wealth and the covetous taking of that wealth, how would the electorate discern the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan Greenspan admitting the Federal Reserve Private Banking Cartel is above the law and therefore accountable to no one pretty much I guess like a Centrally Planned Marxist dictatorship :-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVmxQsvj6lo&amp;feature=related</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan Greenspan admitting the Federal Reserve Private Banking Cartel is above the law and therefore accountable to no one pretty much I guess like a Centrally Planned Marxist dictatorship :-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVmxQsvj6lo&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVmxQsvj6lo&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gas. Since you continue to want to frame the debate in pejoratives allow me to return the compliment. How would you describe the Federal Reserve as anything but an organization run on lines akin to Marxism and Central Planning. It is for all intents and purposes a private organization that acts in the interests of private banks with little democratic accountability. Its members are largely drawn from the private banking sector. Its centrally planned decisions set the parameters for the operation of the economy but the reasons for the decisions tend to be secretive largely because politicians mistakenly believe that to question them will challenge the Reserve’s independence. Indeed even the right-winger, Milton Friedman, in a 1962 essay stated &quot;Politically independent Central Banks give undue influence to the interests of commercial bankers&quot;. See Professor Epstein’s essay in this link:-

http://www.peri.umass.edu/fileadmin/pdf/conference_papers/SAFER/Epstein_Federal_Reserve_Policy.pdf

Also Professor Alan Blinder states when he was a Clinton Vice-Chair appointee on the Federal Reserve &quot;As I often said, while I was on the Fed it’s their economy, not ours.&quot; See Axel Krause’s essay in this link:-

http://www.notre-europe.eu/uploads/tx_publication/Etud7-en.pdf

Indeed as a consequence of the Federal Reserve’s mishandling of the economy leading to the Financial Crash under Alan Greenspan’s tutelage Congress is currently attempting to redress the accountability issue through a half-hearted and hence controversial bill S.1803.

The point I have been trying to make is that the use of checks and balances to provide democratic accountability is required not only in government but also in private enterprise beyond a minimum size. Of course, I understand Agency theory where the politician can often have a self-interested agenda in opposition to the electorate, but that is equally true of the businessman being in opposition to the interests of the workforce and the economy as a whole, for example, by squeezing wages and global outsourcing, or the example of deliberate fraud in the case of Wall Street counterfeit CDO’s. In the end though you are still left with the need to provide checks and balances to mitigate unfair self-interest and the requirement of human beings is consistently one that these check and balances are imposed fairly and openly through a democratic process which means legislatures and enforcement by government.  There is no example of a complex society where these issues are resolved solely on a contractual basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gas. Since you continue to want to frame the debate in pejoratives allow me to return the compliment. How would you describe the Federal Reserve as anything but an organization run on lines akin to Marxism and Central Planning. It is for all intents and purposes a private organization that acts in the interests of private banks with little democratic accountability. Its members are largely drawn from the private banking sector. Its centrally planned decisions set the parameters for the operation of the economy but the reasons for the decisions tend to be secretive largely because politicians mistakenly believe that to question them will challenge the Reserve’s independence. Indeed even the right-winger, Milton Friedman, in a 1962 essay stated &#8220;Politically independent Central Banks give undue influence to the interests of commercial bankers&#8221;. See Professor Epstein’s essay in this link:-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.peri.umass.edu/fileadmin/pdf/conference_papers/SAFER/Epstein_Federal_Reserve_Policy.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.peri.umass.edu/fileadmin/pdf/conference_papers/SAFER/Epstein_Federal_Reserve_Policy.pdf</a></p>
<p>Also Professor Alan Blinder states when he was a Clinton Vice-Chair appointee on the Federal Reserve &#8220;As I often said, while I was on the Fed it’s their economy, not ours.&#8221; See Axel Krause’s essay in this link:-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.notre-europe.eu/uploads/tx_publication/Etud7-en.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.notre-europe.eu/uploads/tx_publication/Etud7-en.pdf</a></p>
<p>Indeed as a consequence of the Federal Reserve’s mishandling of the economy leading to the Financial Crash under Alan Greenspan’s tutelage Congress is currently attempting to redress the accountability issue through a half-hearted and hence controversial bill S.1803.</p>
<p>The point I have been trying to make is that the use of checks and balances to provide democratic accountability is required not only in government but also in private enterprise beyond a minimum size. Of course, I understand Agency theory where the politician can often have a self-interested agenda in opposition to the electorate, but that is equally true of the businessman being in opposition to the interests of the workforce and the economy as a whole, for example, by squeezing wages and global outsourcing, or the example of deliberate fraud in the case of Wall Street counterfeit CDO’s. In the end though you are still left with the need to provide checks and balances to mitigate unfair self-interest and the requirement of human beings is consistently one that these check and balances are imposed fairly and openly through a democratic process which means legislatures and enforcement by government.  There is no example of a complex society where these issues are resolved solely on a contractual basis.</p>
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		<title>By: GAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>GAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t contend that if it was democratically decided it was therefore Marxists.  But it is likewise a strawman to contend if it is democratically decided it therefore not Marxist.  The current leadership used those same sentiments you expressed to get elected and are now well on their way to implementing a central planning system.  Of course they claim to be democrats as do all Socialists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t contend that if it was democratically decided it was therefore Marxists.  But it is likewise a strawman to contend if it is democratically decided it therefore not Marxist.  The current leadership used those same sentiments you expressed to get elected and are now well on their way to implementing a central planning system.  Of course they claim to be democrats as do all Socialists.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another straw man argument Gas. If its democratically decided why should it be Marxist ?</description>
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		<title>By: Bruce Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The metaphor of the nuclear bomb was merely used to illustrate that the Subprime Crash was just a trigger and not the sole cause of the recession. What Soros has to say is highly critical of the prevailing ideology of the last thirty years and therefore worth a little effort in trying to understand. 

Nobody in their right mind would disagree that in theory property ownership should encourage a sense of stewardship and citizenship but the reality has turned out to be different in the world of money making or we would not be in this latest of many recessions and have a society of so much unfairness and dysfunction. I have suggested it&#039;s the ambivalence in capitalism namely unequal power, or lack of democracy, that creates these problems of unfairness and dysfunction and that the Invisible Hand is not invisible but actually obscures this issue. I also suggest two things that in a world of globalized capital only central government working with local government support and at least equal control of capital by workforce and citizens can possibly hope to democratically regulate these adverse effects. If there is a better way forward I have not yet seen it convincingly argued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The metaphor of the nuclear bomb was merely used to illustrate that the Subprime Crash was just a trigger and not the sole cause of the recession. What Soros has to say is highly critical of the prevailing ideology of the last thirty years and therefore worth a little effort in trying to understand. </p>
<p>Nobody in their right mind would disagree that in theory property ownership should encourage a sense of stewardship and citizenship but the reality has turned out to be different in the world of money making or we would not be in this latest of many recessions and have a society of so much unfairness and dysfunction. I have suggested it&#8217;s the ambivalence in capitalism namely unequal power, or lack of democracy, that creates these problems of unfairness and dysfunction and that the Invisible Hand is not invisible but actually obscures this issue. I also suggest two things that in a world of globalized capital only central government working with local government support and at least equal control of capital by workforce and citizens can possibly hope to democratically regulate these adverse effects. If there is a better way forward I have not yet seen it convincingly argued.</p>
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		<title>By: GAS</title>
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		<dc:creator>GAS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Having recognized the cause of the problem a move to preventing its re-occurrence has to be the democratization of the power obtained from excessive money holding and a reform of central government to regulate finance and unfair global trading.&lt;/i&gt;

The Marxists have certainly seized upon this sentiment but don&#039;t count on a &quot;democratization of the power&quot; because it will only result in exchanging the Finance oligarchs with the Political oligarchs.  Personally I&#039;d prefer the tryanny of the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Having recognized the cause of the problem a move to preventing its re-occurrence has to be the democratization of the power obtained from excessive money holding and a reform of central government to regulate finance and unfair global trading.</i></p>
<p>The Marxists have certainly seized upon this sentiment but don&#8217;t count on a &#8220;democratization of the power&#8221; because it will only result in exchanging the Finance oligarchs with the Political oligarchs.  Personally I&#8217;d prefer the tryanny of the former.</p>
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		<title>By: D.W. Sabin</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Only a well-insulated  financier would equate the sub-prime farrago with the explosion of a nuclear bomb...it reminds me of Congress blathering about &quot;nuclear options&quot; as though a nuclear bomb were somehow an abstract thing that does not obliterate all life in its wake while wiping the landscape clean of buildings. 

No, the sub prime debacle is simply a bunko operation gone badly...on a massive scale like the Credit Mobilier crisis or the financial mishaps of the French when they were attempting the Panama Canal or any of a thousand other brazen criminal acts meshed to &quot;new financial realities&quot;  and the enhanced technological avenues for criminal actions when wed to a government that has excessive confidence in the voodoo and entrails reading of its clubby FED. 

Property ownership does encourage a sense of stewardship and citizenship. the fact that this generation of propertied sots decided to turn the sense on its head and treat property as a slot machine and no verification loan credit derivative does not remove the efficacy of property ownership from the republic&#039;s guidebook to probity. Had they observed real property controls, we would not be in this mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only a well-insulated  financier would equate the sub-prime farrago with the explosion of a nuclear bomb&#8230;it reminds me of Congress blathering about &#8220;nuclear options&#8221; as though a nuclear bomb were somehow an abstract thing that does not obliterate all life in its wake while wiping the landscape clean of buildings. </p>
<p>No, the sub prime debacle is simply a bunko operation gone badly&#8230;on a massive scale like the Credit Mobilier crisis or the financial mishaps of the French when they were attempting the Panama Canal or any of a thousand other brazen criminal acts meshed to &#8220;new financial realities&#8221;  and the enhanced technological avenues for criminal actions when wed to a government that has excessive confidence in the voodoo and entrails reading of its clubby FED. </p>
<p>Property ownership does encourage a sense of stewardship and citizenship. the fact that this generation of propertied sots decided to turn the sense on its head and treat property as a slot machine and no verification loan credit derivative does not remove the efficacy of property ownership from the republic&#8217;s guidebook to probity. Had they observed real property controls, we would not be in this mess.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talking of oil barrels or more simply barrels, Mao Tse-tung once said that political power grows from the barrel of a gun. He was only half right. Political power also grows from a barrel of money. The use of gun and money barrels has been taking place long before the first oil barrel made its appearance. Most people can easily grasp how power can grow from a barrel of a gun but not from a barrel of money, but the commoditization of nature is exactly that, the creation of barrels of money. One of the greatest rushes to commoditize nature was the rush to seize land in Northern America. Now an equally great rush is on to commoditize nature in Asia and especially China. This is not so much a land rush but a rush to use technology and the exploitation of people and nature to create barrels of money. It relies upon the swopping of barrels of money. This is where a government keeps the value of its barrels of money (currency) low and the value of other peoples’ barrels (currency) high by recycling their export earnings into the government bonds of the countries they export to. Of course, this has allowed some countries to be profligate in their public and private spending especially the United States. Having other currencies recycle their export earnings back to you means that you can keep interest rates low which creates the false sense of security that you can endlessly leverage your consumption of public and private goods through debt. The bursting of the Subprime Mortgage bubble was like the setting off of a nuclear bomb according to George Soros, the hedge fund manager and philanthropist. The Subprime explosion was the conventional explosive but the nuclear content was the massive public and private super debt Americans had accumulated under the thirty year mismanagement of the two political parties and the Federal Reserve which just happens to be owned by people with lots of barrels of money, the banks. The banks, as we know, have been happily making money from lending to corporations wanting to set up businesses in Asia and especially China and they loved making money from their fraudulent mortgage based Collateralized Debt Obligation financial instruments. 

So where does this leave us? If you’ll excuse the dreadful pun it means for the American and other people not to shoot themselves in the foot by failing to recognize this political power of money and see that this latest recession caused by the Financial Crash was no accident but stemmed from the disproportionate political sway over government that a speculating minority have with control over many barrels of money. Having recognized the cause of the problem a move to preventing its re-occurrence has to be the democratization of the power obtained from excessive money holding and a reform of central government to regulate finance and unfair global trading. It means recognizing, particularly for Americans, that capitalism has ambivalence; very good for matching up need with supply and in part “efficient” use of resources but vulnerable to concentrating power in the hands of a minority who will use it unaccountably. It also means for Americans that they clearly see that even the most cynical observer of human nature and principal constitutional framer James Madison failed in the midst of the world’s biggest land grab to understand how the commoditization of nature could lead to abuse of power.  It is difficult to know whether Madison’s fellow framers also understood the full implications of this commoditization. They knew that property represented power since even Thomas Jefferson proposed that all Virginian men be given fifty acres of land to make them eligible to vote. Virtually all of the Framers were wealthy men and many through ownership of property which paradoxically and naively was perceived to make men responsible citizens! To be fair to Madison the industrial revolution had not really developed to be the barrel filling money cow that it is today but both he and Jefferson had deep reservations about the economic ideas of Alexander Hamilton and feared the damage that would be caused by the encouragement of speculation. Irrespective of all this history, it has to be understood that the achievement of a moral nation is far from guaranteed by the American constitution which does not protect the majority of its citizens from abuse by a minority with their enormous powers of control gained from proprietorial ownership over many barrels of money. This year Hallowen casts a shadow across the land as we realize the majority have gotten the tricks and the minority the treats!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking of oil barrels or more simply barrels, Mao Tse-tung once said that political power grows from the barrel of a gun. He was only half right. Political power also grows from a barrel of money. The use of gun and money barrels has been taking place long before the first oil barrel made its appearance. Most people can easily grasp how power can grow from a barrel of a gun but not from a barrel of money, but the commoditization of nature is exactly that, the creation of barrels of money. One of the greatest rushes to commoditize nature was the rush to seize land in Northern America. Now an equally great rush is on to commoditize nature in Asia and especially China. This is not so much a land rush but a rush to use technology and the exploitation of people and nature to create barrels of money. It relies upon the swopping of barrels of money. This is where a government keeps the value of its barrels of money (currency) low and the value of other peoples’ barrels (currency) high by recycling their export earnings into the government bonds of the countries they export to. Of course, this has allowed some countries to be profligate in their public and private spending especially the United States. Having other currencies recycle their export earnings back to you means that you can keep interest rates low which creates the false sense of security that you can endlessly leverage your consumption of public and private goods through debt. The bursting of the Subprime Mortgage bubble was like the setting off of a nuclear bomb according to George Soros, the hedge fund manager and philanthropist. The Subprime explosion was the conventional explosive but the nuclear content was the massive public and private super debt Americans had accumulated under the thirty year mismanagement of the two political parties and the Federal Reserve which just happens to be owned by people with lots of barrels of money, the banks. The banks, as we know, have been happily making money from lending to corporations wanting to set up businesses in Asia and especially China and they loved making money from their fraudulent mortgage based Collateralized Debt Obligation financial instruments. </p>
<p>So where does this leave us? If you’ll excuse the dreadful pun it means for the American and other people not to shoot themselves in the foot by failing to recognize this political power of money and see that this latest recession caused by the Financial Crash was no accident but stemmed from the disproportionate political sway over government that a speculating minority have with control over many barrels of money. Having recognized the cause of the problem a move to preventing its re-occurrence has to be the democratization of the power obtained from excessive money holding and a reform of central government to regulate finance and unfair global trading. It means recognizing, particularly for Americans, that capitalism has ambivalence; very good for matching up need with supply and in part “efficient” use of resources but vulnerable to concentrating power in the hands of a minority who will use it unaccountably. It also means for Americans that they clearly see that even the most cynical observer of human nature and principal constitutional framer James Madison failed in the midst of the world’s biggest land grab to understand how the commoditization of nature could lead to abuse of power.  It is difficult to know whether Madison’s fellow framers also understood the full implications of this commoditization. They knew that property represented power since even Thomas Jefferson proposed that all Virginian men be given fifty acres of land to make them eligible to vote. Virtually all of the Framers were wealthy men and many through ownership of property which paradoxically and naively was perceived to make men responsible citizens! To be fair to Madison the industrial revolution had not really developed to be the barrel filling money cow that it is today but both he and Jefferson had deep reservations about the economic ideas of Alexander Hamilton and feared the damage that would be caused by the encouragement of speculation. Irrespective of all this history, it has to be understood that the achievement of a moral nation is far from guaranteed by the American constitution which does not protect the majority of its citizens from abuse by a minority with their enormous powers of control gained from proprietorial ownership over many barrels of money. This year Hallowen casts a shadow across the land as we realize the majority have gotten the tricks and the minority the treats!</p>
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		<title>By: D.W. Sabin</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God forbid The baffled U.S.A. were not top dog anymore and unable to continue printing counterfeit money or entering debt levels that make loan sharks look dispassionate and burning the freshly minted money in empty oil barrels due to the relentless costs of an outsized standing army posted hell to breakfast and in general, being forced to believe its own bullshit hoisted up the glorious flagpole everyday in that tottering cesspool on the Potomac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God forbid The baffled U.S.A. were not top dog anymore and unable to continue printing counterfeit money or entering debt levels that make loan sharks look dispassionate and burning the freshly minted money in empty oil barrels due to the relentless costs of an outsized standing army posted hell to breakfast and in general, being forced to believe its own bullshit hoisted up the glorious flagpole everyday in that tottering cesspool on the Potomac.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 22:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the only hope to stop further abuse of ourselves by the monstrous regimes is to turn off the petroleum spicket, something only nature will be able to do.</description>
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