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		<title>By: Siarlys Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/false-economics-and-malignant-growth/#comment-22434</link>
		<dc:creator>Siarlys Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point Amy. There should be technically feasible windmills which will be much more decentralized, and less intrusive for neighbors. Perhaps even a barrel shaped one with internal fan blades that could sit relatively quietly on an individual&#039;s roof. When large companies &quot;go green,&quot; it is a double-edged sword. Perhaps it is &quot;the free market&quot; coming around to a better way of doing things, better for the rest of us that is, but, it also means &quot;we&#039;re going to do this our way, in a centralized industrialized manner that we can make gobs of money from, rather than cultivating the sort of technology where you could do it all yourself, and get off the grid. I do wonder whether at the time they were introduced, Dutch farmers may also have found their windmills on ugly intrusion -- maybe they are only picturesque many centuries later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Amy. There should be technically feasible windmills which will be much more decentralized, and less intrusive for neighbors. Perhaps even a barrel shaped one with internal fan blades that could sit relatively quietly on an individual&#8217;s roof. When large companies &#8220;go green,&#8221; it is a double-edged sword. Perhaps it is &#8220;the free market&#8221; coming around to a better way of doing things, better for the rest of us that is, but, it also means &#8220;we&#8217;re going to do this our way, in a centralized industrialized manner that we can make gobs of money from, rather than cultivating the sort of technology where you could do it all yourself, and get off the grid. I do wonder whether at the time they were introduced, Dutch farmers may also have found their windmills on ugly intrusion &#8212; maybe they are only picturesque many centuries later.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Calva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Calva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dutch windmills were substantially less ugly than these modern monstrosities with their blinking red lights.  And why must wind power be used to further or at least salvage centralization?  Our big &quot;wind farm&quot; in my part of Indiana is owned by British Petroleum.  Something fishy on the sandy prairie of Benton County.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dutch windmills were substantially less ugly than these modern monstrosities with their blinking red lights.  And why must wind power be used to further or at least salvage centralization?  Our big &#8220;wind farm&#8221; in my part of Indiana is owned by British Petroleum.  Something fishy on the sandy prairie of Benton County.</p>
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		<title>By: Siarlys Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/false-economics-and-malignant-growth/#comment-22386</link>
		<dc:creator>Siarlys Jenkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 03:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m glad I didn&#039;t renew my first year membership in the Sierra Club, and that cheap back-pack they gave me the first time wasn&#039;t good for much either. I love tall grass prairie. Either integrate windmills into the landscape, like the Dutch did with their old-timey models, or put them in the desert or on rocky ridge-tops, but don&#039;t Californicate Kansas.

For the rest of it, the People&#039;s Party was a lot more than that, and the main thing it was accused of was not communism. In the west union veteran populists were tagged as &quot;ultra-secession Democrats,&quot; while in the south confederate veteran populists were tagged as betraying &quot;the white man&#039;s party.&quot; The reason the populists insisted on forming a national third party is they wanted the federal government to reorganize the treasury so as to provide these hard-working farmers a low-interest source of credit, freeing them up from Wall Street plutocrats and local loan sharks called &quot;the furnishing man.&quot; It was not exactly a &quot;localist&quot; platform.

William Jennings Bryan may have had a golden tongue, but he betrayed the populists. He picked a Wall Street banker as his running mate. In some states, where populists had a majority of voters behind them, established Democratic election boards simply cast all Negro votes for their own candidate, then boasted that &quot;white supremacy has been saved by Negro votes.&quot; That had something to do with why white redneck populists decided all Negroes should be disenfranchised -- but the local aristocracies went ahead and disenfranchised as many of the small farmer &quot;white&quot; voters as they could in the process. It was nasty, all around.

So, its always dangerous to rewrite history in light of whatever issue you want to push today, BUT, I fully agree that using food for fuel makes no sense at all, and massive government subsidy of &quot;economic development&quot; in general just made a few insiders rich and left the rest of us footing the bill. I would kind of like to see government fund R&amp;D of new medicines, then license production to private companies, with taxpayers getting our money back, rather than have pharma companies rationalize price gouging by saying &quot;we have to get our R&amp;D money back.&quot; (Don&#039;t we all believe they charge about three times what the R&amp;D actually cost them?) The problem is to pick exactly what government belongs in and what it doesn&#039;t. Generally, leave the small stuff alone, give a hand to things that would improve life for all once they are up and running, but can&#039;t break into the market in the first place, like electric cars, and anything that gets so big we all have to have it (like telephones, or the railroads for farmers in Kansas), tie it up tight so it becomes our servant and not our master.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m glad I didn&#8217;t renew my first year membership in the Sierra Club, and that cheap back-pack they gave me the first time wasn&#8217;t good for much either. I love tall grass prairie. Either integrate windmills into the landscape, like the Dutch did with their old-timey models, or put them in the desert or on rocky ridge-tops, but don&#8217;t Californicate Kansas.</p>
<p>For the rest of it, the People&#8217;s Party was a lot more than that, and the main thing it was accused of was not communism. In the west union veteran populists were tagged as &#8220;ultra-secession Democrats,&#8221; while in the south confederate veteran populists were tagged as betraying &#8220;the white man&#8217;s party.&#8221; The reason the populists insisted on forming a national third party is they wanted the federal government to reorganize the treasury so as to provide these hard-working farmers a low-interest source of credit, freeing them up from Wall Street plutocrats and local loan sharks called &#8220;the furnishing man.&#8221; It was not exactly a &#8220;localist&#8221; platform.</p>
<p>William Jennings Bryan may have had a golden tongue, but he betrayed the populists. He picked a Wall Street banker as his running mate. In some states, where populists had a majority of voters behind them, established Democratic election boards simply cast all Negro votes for their own candidate, then boasted that &#8220;white supremacy has been saved by Negro votes.&#8221; That had something to do with why white redneck populists decided all Negroes should be disenfranchised &#8212; but the local aristocracies went ahead and disenfranchised as many of the small farmer &#8220;white&#8221; voters as they could in the process. It was nasty, all around.</p>
<p>So, its always dangerous to rewrite history in light of whatever issue you want to push today, BUT, I fully agree that using food for fuel makes no sense at all, and massive government subsidy of &#8220;economic development&#8221; in general just made a few insiders rich and left the rest of us footing the bill. I would kind of like to see government fund R&amp;D of new medicines, then license production to private companies, with taxpayers getting our money back, rather than have pharma companies rationalize price gouging by saying &#8220;we have to get our R&amp;D money back.&#8221; (Don&#8217;t we all believe they charge about three times what the R&amp;D actually cost them?) The problem is to pick exactly what government belongs in and what it doesn&#8217;t. Generally, leave the small stuff alone, give a hand to things that would improve life for all once they are up and running, but can&#8217;t break into the market in the first place, like electric cars, and anything that gets so big we all have to have it (like telephones, or the railroads for farmers in Kansas), tie it up tight so it becomes our servant and not our master.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb Stegall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caleb Stegall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard, yes, that is a painting of the beloved country, though not the one in the capital rotunda.

Amy, I don&#039;t disagree per se.  See my last comment under Peters&#039; Krusty post for a brief explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, yes, that is a painting of the beloved country, though not the one in the capital rotunda.</p>
<p>Amy, I don&#8217;t disagree per se.  See my last comment under Peters&#8217; Krusty post for a brief explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Calva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Calva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that prairie populism and &quot;Romanist distributism&quot; have a great deal in common, especially the bedrock notion that &quot;every man has a right to the product of his own labor.  Chesterton and your man from Clay Center strike me as saying the same thing--the same truth.  And this truth bears repeating everywhere that concentrated wealth and power press down upon the brow of labor a crown of thorns, or words to that effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that prairie populism and &#8220;Romanist distributism&#8221; have a great deal in common, especially the bedrock notion that &#8220;every man has a right to the product of his own labor.  Chesterton and your man from Clay Center strike me as saying the same thing&#8211;the same truth.  And this truth bears repeating everywhere that concentrated wealth and power press down upon the brow of labor a crown of thorns, or words to that effect.</p>
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		<title>By: cecelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>cecelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be great if a populist uprising brought us to the place you describe.  I hope I can be forgiven for noting though that incohate populism can take us to some very disturbing places too.

Here in my state we just expressed populist rage with rising taxes by kicking the incumbent out and bringing the Republican candidate in.  Now I was a bit suspicious of the Republican candidate as he went around promising to lower my taxes as he never once explained exactly how he was going to do that.

Well, this week he explained.  He is going to make the permit process for real estate developers easier.  

The permit process he referred to is what protects the pitiful amount of farmnd we have left, it is what protects the pitiful left overs of what were once magnificent coastal areas, the permits protect the character of the few rural places we have left.  The permit processwhich people in this state fought for, is what stands between us and the determination of the real estate developers to get rich by turning our once largely agricultural state intoa giant strip mall and one extended , never ending suburb.

So this is an example of how a populist rage can be expressed in ways which actually become more destructive of what we value.

I&#039;d suggest we must be cautious - a conservative quality.

An uneducated populace - a people who are so complacent they do not bother to understand the issues we face - can make things much worse.  As I wrote on another blog, keep in mind that the French Revolution began as a populist uprising which resulted in a naked woman stadning on the altar of Notre Dame Cathedral being worshipped as the &quot;Goddess of reason&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be great if a populist uprising brought us to the place you describe.  I hope I can be forgiven for noting though that incohate populism can take us to some very disturbing places too.</p>
<p>Here in my state we just expressed populist rage with rising taxes by kicking the incumbent out and bringing the Republican candidate in.  Now I was a bit suspicious of the Republican candidate as he went around promising to lower my taxes as he never once explained exactly how he was going to do that.</p>
<p>Well, this week he explained.  He is going to make the permit process for real estate developers easier.  </p>
<p>The permit process he referred to is what protects the pitiful amount of farmnd we have left, it is what protects the pitiful left overs of what were once magnificent coastal areas, the permits protect the character of the few rural places we have left.  The permit processwhich people in this state fought for, is what stands between us and the determination of the real estate developers to get rich by turning our once largely agricultural state intoa giant strip mall and one extended , never ending suburb.</p>
<p>So this is an example of how a populist rage can be expressed in ways which actually become more destructive of what we value.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest we must be cautious &#8211; a conservative quality.</p>
<p>An uneducated populace &#8211; a people who are so complacent they do not bother to understand the issues we face &#8211; can make things much worse.  As I wrote on another blog, keep in mind that the French Revolution began as a populist uprising which resulted in a naked woman stadning on the altar of Notre Dame Cathedral being worshipped as the &#8220;Goddess of reason&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: D.W. Sabin</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/false-economics-and-malignant-growth/#comment-22266</link>
		<dc:creator>D.W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kansas is not the only enemy in this dungeon of benign neglect, every State is. This morning, listening to debate about the possible Afghan troop deployments, someone who advocates against widening war promoted the alternative of working with the Taliban to, among other things, modernize their marble quarries. This is the reality of those who tell us we cannot be &quot;isolationists&quot; . Instead of investing in the abandoned limestone quarries of the Flint Hills, we must buy off an enemy and assist them to develop their resource and build their market within the global marketplace. Global Democracy and the American Empire Project is concerned about one thing and one thing only: Everyplace but here. They are the new isolationists. The States are the new &quot;foreign entanglements.&quot;

That is a spectacular image Caleb, send it along to those folks in their fancy suite of offices in San Francisco and remind them that a sea of grass beneath magnificent clouds can be just as moving as Half Dome. Even more so when you are standing there, bathing in the smell of grass under the vast weight of a blue sky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kansas is not the only enemy in this dungeon of benign neglect, every State is. This morning, listening to debate about the possible Afghan troop deployments, someone who advocates against widening war promoted the alternative of working with the Taliban to, among other things, modernize their marble quarries. This is the reality of those who tell us we cannot be &#8220;isolationists&#8221; . Instead of investing in the abandoned limestone quarries of the Flint Hills, we must buy off an enemy and assist them to develop their resource and build their market within the global marketplace. Global Democracy and the American Empire Project is concerned about one thing and one thing only: Everyplace but here. They are the new isolationists. The States are the new &#8220;foreign entanglements.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is a spectacular image Caleb, send it along to those folks in their fancy suite of offices in San Francisco and remind them that a sea of grass beneath magnificent clouds can be just as moving as Half Dome. Even more so when you are standing there, bathing in the smell of grass under the vast weight of a blue sky.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An academic&#039;s lament:

The semsester&#039;s entering its critical period, papers rolling in for grades, work piling up, but hot tasty music (i.e., must-read posts) is heard wafting in from the direction of the Front Porch.  

That is a great Deneen passage.  

And, possibly a Porcher PAC! As William Jennings Bryan once said, &quot;I&#039;ll take a PAC against both their houses over a pox on both their houses any day.&quot;  Well, okay...those might not have been his exact words...

Keep it up y&#039;all.  I may be one of your pricklier friendly critics, but know I&#039;m cheering for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An academic&#8217;s lament:</p>
<p>The semsester&#8217;s entering its critical period, papers rolling in for grades, work piling up, but hot tasty music (i.e., must-read posts) is heard wafting in from the direction of the Front Porch.  </p>
<p>That is a great Deneen passage.  </p>
<p>And, possibly a Porcher PAC! As William Jennings Bryan once said, &#8220;I&#8217;ll take a PAC against both their houses over a pox on both their houses any day.&#8221;  Well, okay&#8230;those might not have been his exact words&#8230;</p>
<p>Keep it up y&#8217;all.  I may be one of your pricklier friendly critics, but know I&#8217;m cheering for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, where did that wonderful painting of what appears to be the Flint Hills come from?  Is it the one from the state house in Topeka?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, where did that wonderful painting of what appears to be the Flint Hills come from?  Is it the one from the state house in Topeka?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 19:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here, here. No really, right here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, here. No really, right here.</p>
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