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		<title>By: Bruce Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/is-america-ungovernable/#comment-23124</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point also that Phillip Blond is making with his individuative and associative framing of the ideological task ahead is that democracy needs to be pursued in non-state associations or &quot;mutuals&quot; as far as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point also that Phillip Blond is making with his individuative and associative framing of the ideological task ahead is that democracy needs to be pursued in non-state associations or &#8220;mutuals&#8221; as far as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliot Bulmer</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/is-america-ungovernable/#comment-23120</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliot Bulmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 13:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The American system is broken&quot; does not mean that &quot;democracy does not work&quot;.

Most Americans do not realize this, but the presidential majoritarian system is actually very rare amongst Western Democracies.  Instead, a combination of parliamentarism and proportional representation, as practised in most continental European countries, provides a more robust and workable (as well as more broadly representative, and less plutocratic) model of democracy.  

American reformers would do well to read, learn, mark and inwardly digest the Constitutions of Spain or Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The American system is broken&#8221; does not mean that &#8220;democracy does not work&#8221;.</p>
<p>Most Americans do not realize this, but the presidential majoritarian system is actually very rare amongst Western Democracies.  Instead, a combination of parliamentarism and proportional representation, as practised in most continental European countries, provides a more robust and workable (as well as more broadly representative, and less plutocratic) model of democracy.  </p>
<p>American reformers would do well to read, learn, mark and inwardly digest the Constitutions of Spain or Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/is-america-ungovernable/#comment-23079</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So its goodbye predators, hello mutualizers in Phillip Blond&#039;s launch speech today for his new think tank Respublica:-

http://www.respublica.org.uk/articles/future-conservatism-0</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So its goodbye predators, hello mutualizers in Phillip Blond&#8217;s launch speech today for his new think tank Respublica:-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.respublica.org.uk/articles/future-conservatism-0" rel="nofollow">http://www.respublica.org.uk/articles/future-conservatism-0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/is-america-ungovernable/#comment-23078</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 15:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems deeply pessimistic to me to say that man is ungovernable. True you have to work with what you&#039;ve got but the human journey seems to me to be more one of slowly discovering what we&#039;ve got, or more to the point what are natures are and what best suits our natures. In recent years we&#039;ve started to discover through empirical observation and experimentation that we operate on a mix of self-concern and other-concern, we’re conditional cooperators and selfish altruists. Our dominative success as a species though has come primarily from putting social cohesion first and this is deeply hard-wired and will continue to predominate. Accordingly to live like this we develop norms to live by and adjust these when they seem to fail us. In the last thirty years because of the scaling up in size of businesses and government and the growth of a predator norm we  call neoliberalism, or market fundamentalism, we have allowed ourselves to be increasingly dominated and unbalanced. This has delivered us Socialism for the Rich orchestrated especially by a nest of financial predators walled up in Wall Street who nearly collapsed the world economy through incompetence and greed. Now having realized our foolishness we are slowly developing a new norm that will be based more on our desire for social cohesion. This norm can be called mutualism and recognizes the need for a more communalistic approach to the design of the processes and institutions we rely on. We will increasingly become mutualizers and shun the form of ambivalent capitalism that allows the domination of free-loading predators. With the question of our survival on this planet before us the issue of mutuality also reinforces this move to the new norm. The new communication processes involving the use of the internet will aid the mutualizers decision making processes through internet voting. The new communalistic forms of business and public service ownership will do this too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems deeply pessimistic to me to say that man is ungovernable. True you have to work with what you&#8217;ve got but the human journey seems to me to be more one of slowly discovering what we&#8217;ve got, or more to the point what are natures are and what best suits our natures. In recent years we&#8217;ve started to discover through empirical observation and experimentation that we operate on a mix of self-concern and other-concern, we’re conditional cooperators and selfish altruists. Our dominative success as a species though has come primarily from putting social cohesion first and this is deeply hard-wired and will continue to predominate. Accordingly to live like this we develop norms to live by and adjust these when they seem to fail us. In the last thirty years because of the scaling up in size of businesses and government and the growth of a predator norm we  call neoliberalism, or market fundamentalism, we have allowed ourselves to be increasingly dominated and unbalanced. This has delivered us Socialism for the Rich orchestrated especially by a nest of financial predators walled up in Wall Street who nearly collapsed the world economy through incompetence and greed. Now having realized our foolishness we are slowly developing a new norm that will be based more on our desire for social cohesion. This norm can be called mutualism and recognizes the need for a more communalistic approach to the design of the processes and institutions we rely on. We will increasingly become mutualizers and shun the form of ambivalent capitalism that allows the domination of free-loading predators. With the question of our survival on this planet before us the issue of mutuality also reinforces this move to the new norm. The new communication processes involving the use of the internet will aid the mutualizers decision making processes through internet voting. The new communalistic forms of business and public service ownership will do this too.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Foley</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/is-america-ungovernable/#comment-23029</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Foley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 09:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a large sewer drain that is sucking all wealth and power from we citizens to the elected oligarchy.  Physically, the drain is located inside the Beltway.  Undisturbed, we will become Venezuela.  The current focus of the Beltway despots is not health care, or environment, or .... itself, but only an avenue to sucking up more money and power.

We humans are all broken, beset by our weaknesses but trying fitfully to live morally and fruitfully.   Long exposure to temptation wears us down to slow yielding and finally abandonment to the imagined fruits of our temptations.   Once abandoned, we are again tempted to strongly defend and continue our destructive choice.  Without correction/help from our friends and associates, we are doomed unless we are somehow not strongly tempted.

Our elected despots are human, and I stipulate they were all driven by the most upright motives when they began.  That was then, this is now.  Temptation has taken it&#039;s toll.

Given the practicalities, there is no way we can recover our original &quot;innocence&quot;.   The details of gerrymandering etc. would defeat any move to change things significantly.  We are on the long ski jump, with only rocks at the bottom.

Money is the life blood of our elected despots, even considering the 7/24 run of Treasury printing presses funding government now. One way to halt or slow things would be to stop or seriously delay tax payments to the Beltway.  Put the money in  escrow instead of the hands of the despots.  There are ways to do this, and are less intensive than taking more direct action.

That would create a crisis, and threaten the despots, who would be outraged.  Oh well!   

MORE LATER</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a large sewer drain that is sucking all wealth and power from we citizens to the elected oligarchy.  Physically, the drain is located inside the Beltway.  Undisturbed, we will become Venezuela.  The current focus of the Beltway despots is not health care, or environment, or &#8230;. itself, but only an avenue to sucking up more money and power.</p>
<p>We humans are all broken, beset by our weaknesses but trying fitfully to live morally and fruitfully.   Long exposure to temptation wears us down to slow yielding and finally abandonment to the imagined fruits of our temptations.   Once abandoned, we are again tempted to strongly defend and continue our destructive choice.  Without correction/help from our friends and associates, we are doomed unless we are somehow not strongly tempted.</p>
<p>Our elected despots are human, and I stipulate they were all driven by the most upright motives when they began.  That was then, this is now.  Temptation has taken it&#8217;s toll.</p>
<p>Given the practicalities, there is no way we can recover our original &#8220;innocence&#8221;.   The details of gerrymandering etc. would defeat any move to change things significantly.  We are on the long ski jump, with only rocks at the bottom.</p>
<p>Money is the life blood of our elected despots, even considering the 7/24 run of Treasury printing presses funding government now. One way to halt or slow things would be to stop or seriously delay tax payments to the Beltway.  Put the money in  escrow instead of the hands of the despots.  There are ways to do this, and are less intensive than taking more direct action.</p>
<p>That would create a crisis, and threaten the despots, who would be outraged.  Oh well!   </p>
<p>MORE LATER</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/is-america-ungovernable/#comment-23006</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should any one have any doubt about the necessity of improving democratic checks and balances on Federal government to prevent unnecessary war by oligarchic supported monarchs like King George W. Bush The Second and thereby help maintain a healthier economy they need look no further than the information emerging today from the British Chilcot enquiry into the Iraq war :-

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6929604.ece

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2921527420080302?feedType=RSS&amp;feedName=topNews&amp;sp=true

Here by the way is Condolezza Rice on Iraq pre 9/11:-
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Condoleezza_Rice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should any one have any doubt about the necessity of improving democratic checks and balances on Federal government to prevent unnecessary war by oligarchic supported monarchs like King George W. Bush The Second and thereby help maintain a healthier economy they need look no further than the information emerging today from the British Chilcot enquiry into the Iraq war :-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6929604.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6929604.ece</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2921527420080302?feedType=RSS&amp;feedName=topNews&amp;sp=true" rel="nofollow">http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2921527420080302?feedType=RSS&amp;feedName=topNews&amp;sp=true</a></p>
<p>Here by the way is Condolezza Rice on Iraq pre 9/11:-<br />
<a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Condoleezza_Rice" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Condoleezza_Rice</a></p>
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		<title>By: rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is America ungovernable? The question reeks of manifest destiny. America may have been unique in Tocqueville&#039;s time, but that America has been in collapse since at least when we allowed ourselves to be referred to as consumers in lieu of citizens. I like DW&#039;s assertion that man is ungovernable.

If we cannot fix representative democracy, then the rule of a monarch that strives for the common good would be preferable. At least for a time. Also to be preferred would be an anarchy of citizens that realize that their fortune is inherently tied to the fortunes of their neighbors. At least for a time. 

We need to realize that any institution will drift from its stated values through the passage of time. This is true for any form of government, any religion, any organization, and any ruling class. Some of these institutions are robust and drift more slowly than others. Some may have a method of self-correction that enhances tolerance. The longest lived have both traits. The well documented and spectacular failures of a small ruling elite that ignores the common good indicates that oligarchies are neither robust or failure tolerant. 

John, I really enjoyed the essay, and that picture makes my mouth water. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is America ungovernable? The question reeks of manifest destiny. America may have been unique in Tocqueville&#8217;s time, but that America has been in collapse since at least when we allowed ourselves to be referred to as consumers in lieu of citizens. I like DW&#8217;s assertion that man is ungovernable.</p>
<p>If we cannot fix representative democracy, then the rule of a monarch that strives for the common good would be preferable. At least for a time. Also to be preferred would be an anarchy of citizens that realize that their fortune is inherently tied to the fortunes of their neighbors. At least for a time. </p>
<p>We need to realize that any institution will drift from its stated values through the passage of time. This is true for any form of government, any religion, any organization, and any ruling class. Some of these institutions are robust and drift more slowly than others. Some may have a method of self-correction that enhances tolerance. The longest lived have both traits. The well documented and spectacular failures of a small ruling elite that ignores the common good indicates that oligarchies are neither robust or failure tolerant. </p>
<p>John, I really enjoyed the essay, and that picture makes my mouth water. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: John Willson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Willson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heck, Ryan, I would tackle your challenge to John in a heartbeat.   The &quot;Civil Rights Act&quot; of 1964 was completely unnecessary--all the legal and constitutional framework for what it supposedly did was all in place.  What it actually accomplished was the largest transfer of power from states and localities in all of our national history.  The potential for corruption is greater on the greater stages.

And what makes you think that the political machines were particularly &quot;corrupt?&quot;  Because some mugwump textbook says so?  Millions of rural European immigrants were brought quite seamlessly into constitutional government by their &quot;corruption.&quot;  If you want to lift the race card, try being a Sicilian Catholic in Boston in1905.  Would you have written up a national Civil Rights for Italians Act?

It was a political machine gone wacko, the one in South Chicago, funded by the feds largely through the inheritance of the New Deal and the CRA, that gave us our current administration.  If you&#039;re happy with that, then I guess you should be surprised and outraged by John&#039;s perfectly reasonable comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck, Ryan, I would tackle your challenge to John in a heartbeat.   The &#8220;Civil Rights Act&#8221; of 1964 was completely unnecessary&#8211;all the legal and constitutional framework for what it supposedly did was all in place.  What it actually accomplished was the largest transfer of power from states and localities in all of our national history.  The potential for corruption is greater on the greater stages.</p>
<p>And what makes you think that the political machines were particularly &#8220;corrupt?&#8221;  Because some mugwump textbook says so?  Millions of rural European immigrants were brought quite seamlessly into constitutional government by their &#8220;corruption.&#8221;  If you want to lift the race card, try being a Sicilian Catholic in Boston in1905.  Would you have written up a national Civil Rights for Italians Act?</p>
<p>It was a political machine gone wacko, the one in South Chicago, funded by the feds largely through the inheritance of the New Deal and the CRA, that gave us our current administration.  If you&#8217;re happy with that, then I guess you should be surprised and outraged by John&#8217;s perfectly reasonable comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/is-america-ungovernable/#comment-22996</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is true that it is difficult to find a coherent philosophy from the posts on FPR but this is to be expected since it is merely a mirror to the thoughts of the nation which in the process of losing its faith in market fundamentalism currently finds itself deeply confused about many things. This is especially so I think in understanding the ambivalence, or dual nature, of both private enterprise and government and how inseparable and deeply interconnected they are. Private enterprise usually works well to provide excellent choice of innovative goods and services at competitive prices but the flip side of this is that it is amoral with regard to minimizing costs and pushing costs on to others, the environment and the existence of the welfare state are the immediately obvious examples of this. Government, on the other hand, is extremely useful and necessary in regulating private enterprise and mitigating its failures to adequately provide for its workers and provide the public goods that are not particularly profitable. The flip side of government revolves around Agency Theory where politicians and bureaucrats look after their own interests in preference to the electorate allowing in particular such dangers as the massive public and private debts the country is now burdened with. The other major negative side involves private enterprise “buying” government to further its amoral competitive drive to reduce costs as mentioned above but also to drive out competitors and maximize profits through the use of monopolies, subsidies and unfair trade agreements. This inability to recognize the inseparable interdependency of private enterprise and government, especially Federal government, is I believe the major stumbling block to developing a coherent political and economic philosophy of markets and government.
A good example of a component of this stumbling block is global trade. The economics professor, Nobel prize winner, and former Vice-President and Chief Economist of the World Bank, Joseph Stiglitz, had a book published in 2007 called “Making Globalization Work.” On page 271 of that book he states that what advocates of trade liberalization seldom mention is that with global integration the wages of unskilled workers will over time become the same throughout the world. Stiglitz goes on to say that because of the size of populations in China and India these wages will converge on wage levels in those countries rather than the United States or Europe. What Stiglitz doesn’t say though is that researchers also believe a great many skilled jobs will also be leveled down (see the work of Alan Blinder, Frank Levy and Richard Murnane). China, for example, will soon produce more engineers and scientists with doctorates than the United States:-
http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/positions/competitiveness.pdf
 However, Stiglitz goes on to say on page 272 of his book with regard to the leveling down of wages in the United States:-
“As businesses shut down and jobs are lost, real estate prices will fall, which will hurt most people in those areas, since their main asset is their home.”
This statement conjures up the thought of starting out your adult life with a conventional thirty year mortgage on your home only to discover that as you progress through life the percentage of your salary devoted to repaying that mortgage actually increases rather than decreases. You cannot imagine that the financial institution that granted you the mortgage is going to reduce the repayments to reflect your declining wage! This makes the whole financial model for home ownership in this country extremely shaky. It also makes you realize that probably with the exception of a few Democrat politicians who oppose the current terms of trade liberalization the rest of the Democrats and Republicans and the financial industry don’t have much of a clue what they are doing with their support of the current global trade terms. Their economic philosophy seems based on a wing and a prayer! As I state in my previous post these trade terms have to move to bilateral partnering and thereby become non-zero-sum to ensure a fair deal for all. This change cannot be negotiated and monitored on a consistent and efficient basis across an economy by individual states it has to be initiated and coordinated by Federal government.  Localism accordingly has its limitations in this example and reflection would indicate there are many more issues that are best tackled at Federal level. This is said not to attack the idea of localist and subsidiarity theory since I firmly believe in devolution of decision making wherever possible and appropriate, but there are such animals as horses for courses because ambivalence is a real factor of life!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true that it is difficult to find a coherent philosophy from the posts on FPR but this is to be expected since it is merely a mirror to the thoughts of the nation which in the process of losing its faith in market fundamentalism currently finds itself deeply confused about many things. This is especially so I think in understanding the ambivalence, or dual nature, of both private enterprise and government and how inseparable and deeply interconnected they are. Private enterprise usually works well to provide excellent choice of innovative goods and services at competitive prices but the flip side of this is that it is amoral with regard to minimizing costs and pushing costs on to others, the environment and the existence of the welfare state are the immediately obvious examples of this. Government, on the other hand, is extremely useful and necessary in regulating private enterprise and mitigating its failures to adequately provide for its workers and provide the public goods that are not particularly profitable. The flip side of government revolves around Agency Theory where politicians and bureaucrats look after their own interests in preference to the electorate allowing in particular such dangers as the massive public and private debts the country is now burdened with. The other major negative side involves private enterprise “buying” government to further its amoral competitive drive to reduce costs as mentioned above but also to drive out competitors and maximize profits through the use of monopolies, subsidies and unfair trade agreements. This inability to recognize the inseparable interdependency of private enterprise and government, especially Federal government, is I believe the major stumbling block to developing a coherent political and economic philosophy of markets and government.<br />
A good example of a component of this stumbling block is global trade. The economics professor, Nobel prize winner, and former Vice-President and Chief Economist of the World Bank, Joseph Stiglitz, had a book published in 2007 called “Making Globalization Work.” On page 271 of that book he states that what advocates of trade liberalization seldom mention is that with global integration the wages of unskilled workers will over time become the same throughout the world. Stiglitz goes on to say that because of the size of populations in China and India these wages will converge on wage levels in those countries rather than the United States or Europe. What Stiglitz doesn’t say though is that researchers also believe a great many skilled jobs will also be leveled down (see the work of Alan Blinder, Frank Levy and Richard Murnane). China, for example, will soon produce more engineers and scientists with doctorates than the United States:-<br />
<a href="http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/positions/competitiveness.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ieeeusa.org/policy/positions/competitiveness.pdf</a><br />
 However, Stiglitz goes on to say on page 272 of his book with regard to the leveling down of wages in the United States:-<br />
“As businesses shut down and jobs are lost, real estate prices will fall, which will hurt most people in those areas, since their main asset is their home.”<br />
This statement conjures up the thought of starting out your adult life with a conventional thirty year mortgage on your home only to discover that as you progress through life the percentage of your salary devoted to repaying that mortgage actually increases rather than decreases. You cannot imagine that the financial institution that granted you the mortgage is going to reduce the repayments to reflect your declining wage! This makes the whole financial model for home ownership in this country extremely shaky. It also makes you realize that probably with the exception of a few Democrat politicians who oppose the current terms of trade liberalization the rest of the Democrats and Republicans and the financial industry don’t have much of a clue what they are doing with their support of the current global trade terms. Their economic philosophy seems based on a wing and a prayer! As I state in my previous post these trade terms have to move to bilateral partnering and thereby become non-zero-sum to ensure a fair deal for all. This change cannot be negotiated and monitored on a consistent and efficient basis across an economy by individual states it has to be initiated and coordinated by Federal government.  Localism accordingly has its limitations in this example and reflection would indicate there are many more issues that are best tackled at Federal level. This is said not to attack the idea of localist and subsidiarity theory since I firmly believe in devolution of decision making wherever possible and appropriate, but there are such animals as horses for courses because ambivalence is a real factor of life!</p>
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		<title>By: D.W. Sabin</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/is-america-ungovernable/#comment-22991</link>
		<dc:creator>D.W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man...is ungovernable. This is a simultaneous insult and compliment. It requires probity, restraint, humility and humility&#039;s cousin: humor to devise a government suitable for such an essay in contradiction. We had it once but have roundly lost it....thinking we need something more than a Republic in order that our government can make us whole. Ho Ho Ho.

I don&#039;t know, when I walk past a mellow and buff building in the Cotswolds, admiring its Bath Stone or drink in the remarkable Tuscan countryside or eat a fine French meal in Paris prepared quixotically by an Aussie ex-pat on Avenue Felix Faure, I don&#039;t wonder about their government, I wonder about the people and wish for them the continuing wisdom, health, and artfulness they express...along with only that government sufficient to encourage it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man&#8230;is ungovernable. This is a simultaneous insult and compliment. It requires probity, restraint, humility and humility&#8217;s cousin: humor to devise a government suitable for such an essay in contradiction. We had it once but have roundly lost it&#8230;.thinking we need something more than a Republic in order that our government can make us whole. Ho Ho Ho.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, when I walk past a mellow and buff building in the Cotswolds, admiring its Bath Stone or drink in the remarkable Tuscan countryside or eat a fine French meal in Paris prepared quixotically by an Aussie ex-pat on Avenue Felix Faure, I don&#8217;t wonder about their government, I wonder about the people and wish for them the continuing wisdom, health, and artfulness they express&#8230;along with only that government sufficient to encourage it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Davidson</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/is-america-ungovernable/#comment-22989</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;John Médaille&lt;/b&gt;, I wouldn&#039;t entirely agree that cities are only left with trivial powers. Beginning the last century, the trend has been towards increased home rule authority, especially in larger cities. The reason that so many municipal governments seem to be bogged down with trivialities is not because their powers are trivial as such. They all tend to have rather expansive police powers, a high degree of control over their school systems, almost exclusive authority over zoning and construction, etc. The difference is that in a town of 25,000 people, almost nothing is that big of a deal compared with a city of a million. Cities&#039; authority appears trivial not because the &lt;i&gt;scope&lt;/i&gt; is small but because the &lt;i&gt;scale&lt;/i&gt; is.

I can&#039;t bring myself to believe that you&#039;re seriously making the argument that the corruption that characterized Boss Tweed&#039;s New York is an improvement over the federal Civil Rights Act. The idea is simply incomprehensible to me. If that really is what you&#039;re saying, you&#039;re going to have to explain yourself, because that&#039;s not anyone should be willing to accept just because you wave your hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>John Médaille</b>, I wouldn&#8217;t entirely agree that cities are only left with trivial powers. Beginning the last century, the trend has been towards increased home rule authority, especially in larger cities. The reason that so many municipal governments seem to be bogged down with trivialities is not because their powers are trivial as such. They all tend to have rather expansive police powers, a high degree of control over their school systems, almost exclusive authority over zoning and construction, etc. The difference is that in a town of 25,000 people, almost nothing is that big of a deal compared with a city of a million. Cities&#8217; authority appears trivial not because the <i>scope</i> is small but because the <i>scale</i> is.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t bring myself to believe that you&#8217;re seriously making the argument that the corruption that characterized Boss Tweed&#8217;s New York is an improvement over the federal Civil Rights Act. The idea is simply incomprehensible to me. If that really is what you&#8217;re saying, you&#8217;re going to have to explain yourself, because that&#8217;s not anyone should be willing to accept just because you wave your hand.</p>
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		<title>By: Clare Krishan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clare Krishan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the only mandate for efficacy, dare I say legitimacy, under question is the exercise of legislative power, NO COMMENT (we&#039;re in the doldrums since the mighter power lies in the unitary executive funded via Treasury&#039;s fiscal alchemy) 

If the mandate for efficacy -- or more particularly legitimacy -- of exercising power is America&#039;s fiduciary affairs, ie the custodial duty of the financial services sector of our economy to preserve from harm the treasure entrusted to them, then we&#039;re already off the cliff in free fall. America&#039;s property rights became ungovernable way back in 1913 when central banking came into mode. The high time preference of a warfaring public purse soon made the Fed an indispensable tool to the secret expropriation of the citizenry during two global conflicts. Traditional (of both the popular and artistocratic variety) low time preferences of savers, producers and contractors have been denied their due -- the discount in value accrued over time from prudential non-disruptive creative industry, a tithe of which customarily has been applied to support non-productive exertion of a spiritual or charitable nature. 

The fear of dislocation in the social fabric from challenging deeply-cherished political assumptions (American dollars are safely held by our bankers) is actually worse than the thing feared - the social fabric is unravelling around us faster than we can pick up the stitches! Instead of yanking at loose ends, we need to stop the guys who are pulling the carpet from under us - the monetary policy makers behind closed doors. 

Only he who controls his property can exercise his free will democratically. We cannot speak of voluntary goodwill towards the commonwealth (ie the free consent of the governed) if the very constitutive wealth necessary is being expropriated by stealth by the governing class. The corruption begins with the currency my friends, and as Arnold Schwarznegger says &quot;Kahlifawnia can&#039;t print money, only the Feds can.&quot; As bad as local schenanigans may seem, the truely egregious graft is instead the centralized theft of the very purchasing power of the defenseless dollars in your wallet, being diluted by pre-meditated inflation by our &quot;betters&quot; the Titans in Treasury, led by Redistributor in Chief Mr Bernanke.      

Audit -- ney end -- the Fed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the only mandate for efficacy, dare I say legitimacy, under question is the exercise of legislative power, NO COMMENT (we&#8217;re in the doldrums since the mighter power lies in the unitary executive funded via Treasury&#8217;s fiscal alchemy) </p>
<p>If the mandate for efficacy &#8212; or more particularly legitimacy &#8212; of exercising power is America&#8217;s fiduciary affairs, ie the custodial duty of the financial services sector of our economy to preserve from harm the treasure entrusted to them, then we&#8217;re already off the cliff in free fall. America&#8217;s property rights became ungovernable way back in 1913 when central banking came into mode. The high time preference of a warfaring public purse soon made the Fed an indispensable tool to the secret expropriation of the citizenry during two global conflicts. Traditional (of both the popular and artistocratic variety) low time preferences of savers, producers and contractors have been denied their due &#8212; the discount in value accrued over time from prudential non-disruptive creative industry, a tithe of which customarily has been applied to support non-productive exertion of a spiritual or charitable nature. </p>
<p>The fear of dislocation in the social fabric from challenging deeply-cherished political assumptions (American dollars are safely held by our bankers) is actually worse than the thing feared &#8211; the social fabric is unravelling around us faster than we can pick up the stitches! Instead of yanking at loose ends, we need to stop the guys who are pulling the carpet from under us &#8211; the monetary policy makers behind closed doors. </p>
<p>Only he who controls his property can exercise his free will democratically. We cannot speak of voluntary goodwill towards the commonwealth (ie the free consent of the governed) if the very constitutive wealth necessary is being expropriated by stealth by the governing class. The corruption begins with the currency my friends, and as Arnold Schwarznegger says &#8220;Kahlifawnia can&#8217;t print money, only the Feds can.&#8221; As bad as local schenanigans may seem, the truely egregious graft is instead the centralized theft of the very purchasing power of the defenseless dollars in your wallet, being diluted by pre-meditated inflation by our &#8220;betters&#8221; the Titans in Treasury, led by Redistributor in Chief Mr Bernanke.      </p>
<p>Audit &#8212; ney end &#8212; the Fed.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Wilson - very astute point about &#039;liking&#039; Europe. I like Europe - a lot - having lived there (Germany) over 10 years, but what I like about Europe has little to do with the way it&#039;s governed (which are also my feelings about my home country), and I like even less where Europe is headed. And those feelings are shared by many Europeans I know, who feel as helpless as we do in the face of government and fear a reckoning in the not too distant future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Wilson &#8211; very astute point about &#8216;liking&#8217; Europe. I like Europe &#8211; a lot &#8211; having lived there (Germany) over 10 years, but what I like about Europe has little to do with the way it&#8217;s governed (which are also my feelings about my home country), and I like even less where Europe is headed. And those feelings are shared by many Europeans I know, who feel as helpless as we do in the face of government and fear a reckoning in the not too distant future.</p>
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		<title>By: John Willson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Willson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell,
Do you really like Europe, or do you like the Europe that the present age inherited and whose current residents have done so little to preserve.  Almost all progressives coast along on the capital they have inherited, but it will run out.

John,
Don&#039;t be so defensive of Tammany Hall!  It produced Al Smith.  Its enemies produced FDR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russell,<br />
Do you really like Europe, or do you like the Europe that the present age inherited and whose current residents have done so little to preserve.  Almost all progressives coast along on the capital they have inherited, but it will run out.</p>
<p>John,<br />
Don&#8217;t be so defensive of Tammany Hall!  It produced Al Smith.  Its enemies produced FDR.</p>
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		<title>By: John Médaille</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Médaille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments. Only have a limited amount of time, but two points:

1. The very triviality of comments that councils get is proportional to the triviality of their powers. Cities have little control over their detinies, and so arguing about trivialities is all that is left.

2. Yes Tammeny was corrupt, but it was itself a response to a different kind of corruption. It was a way of spreading the wealth to a largely hated and  disenfranchised people. Problems, yes, but context also. It was better to handle the prejudice at this level that what happened after the civil rights movement became a national issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments. Only have a limited amount of time, but two points:</p>
<p>1. The very triviality of comments that councils get is proportional to the triviality of their powers. Cities have little control over their detinies, and so arguing about trivialities is all that is left.</p>
<p>2. Yes Tammeny was corrupt, but it was itself a response to a different kind of corruption. It was a way of spreading the wealth to a largely hated and  disenfranchised people. Problems, yes, but context also. It was better to handle the prejudice at this level that what happened after the civil rights movement became a national issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Arben Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Arben Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The other way is toward Europe, and I think that one thing that may unite Porchers is that Europe is not the way to go.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=3018&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I like Europe&lt;/a&gt;, John. (So do Patrick and Rod Dreher, though they may deny it under pressure.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The other way is toward Europe, and I think that one thing that may unite Porchers is that Europe is not the way to go.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=3018" rel="nofollow">I like Europe</a>, John. (So do Patrick and Rod Dreher, though they may deny it under pressure.)</p>
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		<title>By: John Willson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Willson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 21:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To get back to John&#039;s essay, as interesting as some of this speculating about what FPR&#039;s mission might be or whether it is consistent enough for progressives (who talk diversity, but show me one who wants it or will even tolerate it) might be, his point is rather more, well, pointed.

To give a short reply, &quot;Is America Ungovernable?&quot;---yes.  And the examples John gives are all valid and true.  Every serious man since Aristotle has known that size matters.  There is simply size and complexity beyond which the capacity and the virtue of human beings cannot go.  How hard is it to &quot;govern&quot; a family?  One dumb-ass during WWII said that &quot;one can learn a lot about a national economy by having to run one.&quot;  Listening to our current emperor drone on in his utterly contentless speeches, and pondering that anyone--ANYONE--understands a 2000 page &quot;law&quot; should be enough to cut off the inevitable progressive babble about better and better planning.  Walter Lippmann said it in 1938, for goodness sake, and he was hardly a reactionary. 

In search of a better life there is only one way we can go, and that&#039;s small(er).  The other way is toward Europe, and I think that one thing that may unite Porchers is that Europe is not the way to go.

By the way, this was never intended to be a democracy.  Like &quot;liberal,&quot; it&#039;s a word we should rarely use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To get back to John&#8217;s essay, as interesting as some of this speculating about what FPR&#8217;s mission might be or whether it is consistent enough for progressives (who talk diversity, but show me one who wants it or will even tolerate it) might be, his point is rather more, well, pointed.</p>
<p>To give a short reply, &#8220;Is America Ungovernable?&#8221;&#8212;yes.  And the examples John gives are all valid and true.  Every serious man since Aristotle has known that size matters.  There is simply size and complexity beyond which the capacity and the virtue of human beings cannot go.  How hard is it to &#8220;govern&#8221; a family?  One dumb-ass during WWII said that &#8220;one can learn a lot about a national economy by having to run one.&#8221;  Listening to our current emperor drone on in his utterly contentless speeches, and pondering that anyone&#8211;ANYONE&#8211;understands a 2000 page &#8220;law&#8221; should be enough to cut off the inevitable progressive babble about better and better planning.  Walter Lippmann said it in 1938, for goodness sake, and he was hardly a reactionary. </p>
<p>In search of a better life there is only one way we can go, and that&#8217;s small(er).  The other way is toward Europe, and I think that one thing that may unite Porchers is that Europe is not the way to go.</p>
<p>By the way, this was never intended to be a democracy.  Like &#8220;liberal,&#8221; it&#8217;s a word we should rarely use.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Russell&lt;/b&gt;, I can see how that point would be confusing. My bad.

What I meant is that it seems contradictory to advocate for limited government... by having said government pass more laws, regardless of their content. 

What bugs me about the aristocratic trends I see here is that the old rallying cry that those in power should not have it is all too often simply a backhanded way of saying that the agitators are the ones that &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; have it. I get that vibe a lot around here: &quot;Things would be so much better of only people like &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt; ran the show!&quot; You&#039;ll forgive me for finding that ridiculously self-serving, not to mention condescending. And examples in front-page posts are far too common to enumerate. There&#039;s an attachment to a particular expression of the Good Life which, the argument goes, can only be enjoyed under a particular material organization of society. Arguments for &quot;virtue&quot; can all too easily appear to be arguments for &quot;doing things my way because I&#039;m &lt;i&gt;better&lt;/i&gt;,&quot; and keeping those two consciously distinct is challenging, to put it mildly.

Which is more than a little off-putting, I have to say. The fact that the speakers frequently don&#039;t usually manifest any special insight into how things actually work or how we got where we are doesn&#039;t help much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Russell</b>, I can see how that point would be confusing. My bad.</p>
<p>What I meant is that it seems contradictory to advocate for limited government&#8230; by having said government pass more laws, regardless of their content. </p>
<p>What bugs me about the aristocratic trends I see here is that the old rallying cry that those in power should not have it is all too often simply a backhanded way of saying that the agitators are the ones that <i>should</i> have it. I get that vibe a lot around here: &#8220;Things would be so much better of only people like <i>me</i> ran the show!&#8221; You&#8217;ll forgive me for finding that ridiculously self-serving, not to mention condescending. And examples in front-page posts are far too common to enumerate. There&#8217;s an attachment to a particular expression of the Good Life which, the argument goes, can only be enjoyed under a particular material organization of society. Arguments for &#8220;virtue&#8221; can all too easily appear to be arguments for &#8220;doing things my way because I&#8217;m <i>better</i>,&#8221; and keeping those two consciously distinct is challenging, to put it mildly.</p>
<p>Which is more than a little off-putting, I have to say. The fact that the speakers frequently don&#8217;t usually manifest any special insight into how things actually work or how we got where we are doesn&#8217;t help much.</p>
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