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		<title>By: Shelley Burbank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelley Burbank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a funny and thought-provoking essay (love the picture of the regurgitating jack o&#039;lantern, too).  Brought up on the Jerry-Falwell- Conservative-Baptist plan, I bolted from religion about two seconds after I left for college.  However, I do see the value of traditional Christian practices and am always intrigued by Catholicism. Who wouldn&#039;t be inspired by those soaring, Gothic cathedrals and stained glass windows and echoing voices of choirs singing old and reverent songs?  If only we could pick  the parts of a religion we could embrace  with a clear and joyful conscience while rejecting the offensive stuff (abuses of power and money and inappropriate behaviors by leadership, for instance.) Unfortunately, it doesn&#039;t seem to work that way.  You either have to be in or out. ( Or maybe I can just sneak in quietly and sit in the back pew?)  I&#039;d love to be part of a religion that embraces both earthy Pagan celebrations and beautiful Christian rituals . . . and don&#039;t leave out the flying buttresses, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a funny and thought-provoking essay (love the picture of the regurgitating jack o&#8217;lantern, too).  Brought up on the Jerry-Falwell- Conservative-Baptist plan, I bolted from religion about two seconds after I left for college.  However, I do see the value of traditional Christian practices and am always intrigued by Catholicism. Who wouldn&#8217;t be inspired by those soaring, Gothic cathedrals and stained glass windows and echoing voices of choirs singing old and reverent songs?  If only we could pick  the parts of a religion we could embrace  with a clear and joyful conscience while rejecting the offensive stuff (abuses of power and money and inappropriate behaviors by leadership, for instance.) Unfortunately, it doesn&#8217;t seem to work that way.  You either have to be in or out. ( Or maybe I can just sneak in quietly and sit in the back pew?)  I&#8217;d love to be part of a religion that embraces both earthy Pagan celebrations and beautiful Christian rituals . . . and don&#8217;t leave out the flying buttresses, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony James</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/mere-krustianity/#comment-90503</link>
		<dc:creator>Anthony James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 23:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ran across this post while looking at some others on your blog, but can&#039;t say I agree with you.  My experience is totally different.  While a member of an Episcopal church, on moving to a new town I started going to a church that met in a movie theatre. There I found life, love of fellow man, true worship, intellectually challenging and stimulating sermons full of scripture and historical reference,  a diversity of age, race, nationality, socio-economic status, and education. In short, everything I feel is great about the church universal. And now we are meeting in a real church building that was closed due to diminished attendance by the denominational church that used to occupy it. There are coffee, tea, bagels and pastries, but it&#039;s all free, with lots to take home after the service if you like. But nothing commercial about it like you apparently found.  And many many young people, full of faith in Jesus. So very refreshing! I&#039;m sorry about your experience, but just know that there are other non-traditional churches out there that are full of life, and do not neglect the past, while embracing the Word of God, written and living, fully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ran across this post while looking at some others on your blog, but can&#8217;t say I agree with you.  My experience is totally different.  While a member of an Episcopal church, on moving to a new town I started going to a church that met in a movie theatre. There I found life, love of fellow man, true worship, intellectually challenging and stimulating sermons full of scripture and historical reference,  a diversity of age, race, nationality, socio-economic status, and education. In short, everything I feel is great about the church universal. And now we are meeting in a real church building that was closed due to diminished attendance by the denominational church that used to occupy it. There are coffee, tea, bagels and pastries, but it&#8217;s all free, with lots to take home after the service if you like. But nothing commercial about it like you apparently found.  And many many young people, full of faith in Jesus. So very refreshing! I&#8217;m sorry about your experience, but just know that there are other non-traditional churches out there that are full of life, and do not neglect the past, while embracing the Word of God, written and living, fully.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/mere-krustianity/#comment-22807</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article and combox discussion.  I must admit that I, on several occasions during my reading, thought some were referring to Moscow, Idaho.  Rev. Doug Wilson is already larger-than-life (especially after his MTV-produced debates with Christopher Hitchens), but let&#039;s not compare his home address to Rome and Constantinople!    

Then I poured myself a Vodka and cranberry juice and realized my error.  Mother Russia and the other Moscow.  Doug Wilson does seem like he would be a happy resident of FPR, though.  Heard him tell men, in a sermon, to purposefully buy land with a high hill so as to facilitate home defense.  Not sure which scripture got interpreted for that one, but it made sense to me at the time.  (If you&#039;re reading this, Doug, I&#039;m a fan.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and combox discussion.  I must admit that I, on several occasions during my reading, thought some were referring to Moscow, Idaho.  Rev. Doug Wilson is already larger-than-life (especially after his MTV-produced debates with Christopher Hitchens), but let&#8217;s not compare his home address to Rome and Constantinople!    </p>
<p>Then I poured myself a Vodka and cranberry juice and realized my error.  Mother Russia and the other Moscow.  Doug Wilson does seem like he would be a happy resident of FPR, though.  Heard him tell men, in a sermon, to purposefully buy land with a high hill so as to facilitate home defense.  Not sure which scripture got interpreted for that one, but it made sense to me at the time.  (If you&#8217;re reading this, Doug, I&#8217;m a fan.)</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 16:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perplexed, thanks for that comment.</description>
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		<dc:creator>In Defense of Grocery Story Christians &#187; Evangel &#124; A First Things Blog</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: jacob</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/mere-krustianity/#comment-22342</link>
		<dc:creator>jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think to myself as I read the article titles on this Web site that here are some people worth knowing. Then I read the articles (and the comments, oh the comments), and too often I feel an awful sinking sensation, a sense of a closed and stifling discourse. I listen for the single clear, ringing sentence, the single thought devoid of pure ego, but after a time I feel only that I am among articulate but inelegant boys enamored of the sounds of their own voices, with little of that famous moral imagination called for in penetrating into the lives of the actual people who kneel and pray when there is nothing left to do, when education or lack thereof has all come to nothing, when homes imaginary or real have all finally crumbled to dust, and there&#039;s simply no way back. 

I too love the hymns, the sacraments, the underlying rigor of centuries of theological thought, and I too feel confused and disheartened by shopping malls in all their variant forms. But that poignant sense of loss is not really what&#039;s at stake, is it, for most of the people in real exile on this planet? They know they&#039;re broken. Luck, or fate, or bad choices. It hardly matters which, but they know it. And so they go where they can go to pray a little and not be mocked or even noticed as they pray; where they sometimes can play the fool, cry out if necessary, think on a few big picture matters, get some free childcare, and maybe some free help with their taxes or a small-group connection that leads to a much needed job. It&#039;s not much, but it&#039;s something. 

What are you offering, exactly? Is the wine in your sacrament that fine a vintage that it turns a soul to love and unfloods that beautiful stolen valley they once loved more than any place you&#039;ve ever known in all your Wendell Berry--infused maunderings over the BBQ pit? I&#039;m just asking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think to myself as I read the article titles on this Web site that here are some people worth knowing. Then I read the articles (and the comments, oh the comments), and too often I feel an awful sinking sensation, a sense of a closed and stifling discourse. I listen for the single clear, ringing sentence, the single thought devoid of pure ego, but after a time I feel only that I am among articulate but inelegant boys enamored of the sounds of their own voices, with little of that famous moral imagination called for in penetrating into the lives of the actual people who kneel and pray when there is nothing left to do, when education or lack thereof has all come to nothing, when homes imaginary or real have all finally crumbled to dust, and there&#8217;s simply no way back. </p>
<p>I too love the hymns, the sacraments, the underlying rigor of centuries of theological thought, and I too feel confused and disheartened by shopping malls in all their variant forms. But that poignant sense of loss is not really what&#8217;s at stake, is it, for most of the people in real exile on this planet? They know they&#8217;re broken. Luck, or fate, or bad choices. It hardly matters which, but they know it. And so they go where they can go to pray a little and not be mocked or even noticed as they pray; where they sometimes can play the fool, cry out if necessary, think on a few big picture matters, get some free childcare, and maybe some free help with their taxes or a small-group connection that leads to a much needed job. It&#8217;s not much, but it&#8217;s something. </p>
<p>What are you offering, exactly? Is the wine in your sacrament that fine a vintage that it turns a soul to love and unfloods that beautiful stolen valley they once loved more than any place you&#8217;ve ever known in all your Wendell Berry&#8211;infused maunderings over the BBQ pit? I&#8217;m just asking.</p>
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		<title>By: HicEstPorcusMeus</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/mere-krustianity/#comment-22230</link>
		<dc:creator>HicEstPorcusMeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who think the &quot;apostolic&quot; churches like the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox are The Pearl of Great Price they&#039;ve been looking for - especially dewy-eyed Evangelical converts who&#039;ve read some of the Church Fathers and immersed themselves in the Mass or Divine Liturgy and RCIA or catechism classes and think they have now found and entered The One True Church - are just as misled as the megachurchers and fundies who think that THEY are &quot;Biblical Christianity.&quot; Having been fed (and swallowed) an edited and biased view of church history and doctrine and been told that the Roman Catholic Church or the Eastern Orthodox Church have faithfully preserved and transmitted &quot;the faith once for all delivered to the saints,&quot; they turn off their questions (and those who study church history and the Scriptures should and will have questions about such claims) and subsume them all under the rubric &quot;The Church says it, I believe it, that settles it.&quot;

All that glitters is not gold, even if such is used for the chalice and spoon in which are contained and presented what are said to have become the precious body and precious blood of Christ.

The American Church may in large part be a freak of nature, but Rome and Constantinople (or Moscow) are not natural beasts, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who think the &#8220;apostolic&#8221; churches like the Roman Catholic and the Orthodox are The Pearl of Great Price they&#8217;ve been looking for &#8211; especially dewy-eyed Evangelical converts who&#8217;ve read some of the Church Fathers and immersed themselves in the Mass or Divine Liturgy and RCIA or catechism classes and think they have now found and entered The One True Church &#8211; are just as misled as the megachurchers and fundies who think that THEY are &#8220;Biblical Christianity.&#8221; Having been fed (and swallowed) an edited and biased view of church history and doctrine and been told that the Roman Catholic Church or the Eastern Orthodox Church have faithfully preserved and transmitted &#8220;the faith once for all delivered to the saints,&#8221; they turn off their questions (and those who study church history and the Scriptures should and will have questions about such claims) and subsume them all under the rubric &#8220;The Church says it, I believe it, that settles it.&#8221;</p>
<p>All that glitters is not gold, even if such is used for the chalice and spoon in which are contained and presented what are said to have become the precious body and precious blood of Christ.</p>
<p>The American Church may in large part be a freak of nature, but Rome and Constantinople (or Moscow) are not natural beasts, either.</p>
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		<title>By: John Médaille</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/mere-krustianity/#comment-22227</link>
		<dc:creator>John Médaille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>E.D., the problem with the internet is that you can&#039;t see people nodding in agreement. It&#039;s like talking to my 2 year old grandson on the phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E.D., the problem with the internet is that you can&#8217;t see people nodding in agreement. It&#8217;s like talking to my 2 year old grandson on the phone.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb Stegall</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/mere-krustianity/#comment-22226</link>
		<dc:creator>Caleb Stegall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perplexed, your grace and kindness are humbling.  Thanks for that.

Briefly, it&#039;s my view that decentralization/distributism in an American context must take account of the individual apart from top-down or structural forms of authority.  Admittedly, there are deep tensions here, but I think historically they were resolved, or can be resolved, by communal forms of authority that go under-aritculated and draw strength of enforcement from cultural forms, bonds of identity, limits of agrarian struggle and scarcity, an under-stated and simple faith, common law rather than canon law traditions, etc.

These forms are summed up by what the jurist Fletcher Moulton called: &quot;obedience to the unenforceable,&quot; and they are the markers of most traditional protestant communities (of course with near infinite variations, I&#039;m generalizing out of necessity) which were forged in and had a deep history in the struggle of individuals against the figure head of authority whether that head bore crown or mitre. 

Think Old Jack from Berry&#039;s stories, or Berry himself.

And the truth is, these forms existed under the &quot;sacred canopy&quot; of Rome before the onset of early modernity, and in my view still function in parish models of the church, and are highly functional in an American context, particularly, it seems, in urban settings.  It was the rise of the modern nation state and mass technologies and ideologies of communication and authority that made unprecedented levels of command-and-control unity conceivable and possible, thereby rendering the old &quot;catholic&quot; unified-pluralist order based on local forms eradicable and thus unacceptable. That is to say, it could be refused and so it was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perplexed, your grace and kindness are humbling.  Thanks for that.</p>
<p>Briefly, it&#8217;s my view that decentralization/distributism in an American context must take account of the individual apart from top-down or structural forms of authority.  Admittedly, there are deep tensions here, but I think historically they were resolved, or can be resolved, by communal forms of authority that go under-aritculated and draw strength of enforcement from cultural forms, bonds of identity, limits of agrarian struggle and scarcity, an under-stated and simple faith, common law rather than canon law traditions, etc.</p>
<p>These forms are summed up by what the jurist Fletcher Moulton called: &#8220;obedience to the unenforceable,&#8221; and they are the markers of most traditional protestant communities (of course with near infinite variations, I&#8217;m generalizing out of necessity) which were forged in and had a deep history in the struggle of individuals against the figure head of authority whether that head bore crown or mitre. </p>
<p>Think Old Jack from Berry&#8217;s stories, or Berry himself.</p>
<p>And the truth is, these forms existed under the &#8220;sacred canopy&#8221; of Rome before the onset of early modernity, and in my view still function in parish models of the church, and are highly functional in an American context, particularly, it seems, in urban settings.  It was the rise of the modern nation state and mass technologies and ideologies of communication and authority that made unprecedented levels of command-and-control unity conceivable and possible, thereby rendering the old &#8220;catholic&#8221; unified-pluralist order based on local forms eradicable and thus unacceptable. That is to say, it could be refused and so it was.</p>
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		<title>By: E.D. Kain</title>
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		<dc:creator>E.D. Kain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirk - Thanks!  I was feeling a little ignored...and I thought that comment was one of those rare moments when I actually make sense.

Go figure.

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk &#8211; Thanks!  I was feeling a little ignored&#8230;and I thought that comment was one of those rare moments when I actually make sense.</p>
<p>Go figure.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to commend E.D. Kain for the insightful (though apparently ignored) comment made on 5 November at 11:07 am.

&quot;This alone may offend the aesthetic tastes of some, but it is the embrace of greed and the denial of solidarity and the rise of the atomized individual that really rubs many megachurch critics the wrong way. It is the glossy exterior of consumerism that seems to have infected these churches that really upsets our sense of what is proper and meaningful in Christianity. A sense that these things cheapen it somehow. (Ironically, it was the trappings of Catholicism which similarly aggravated the more puritanical amongst our ancestors, and for similar reasons I think….)&quot;

Wow, I think E.D. is on to something here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to commend E.D. Kain for the insightful (though apparently ignored) comment made on 5 November at 11:07 am.</p>
<p>&#8220;This alone may offend the aesthetic tastes of some, but it is the embrace of greed and the denial of solidarity and the rise of the atomized individual that really rubs many megachurch critics the wrong way. It is the glossy exterior of consumerism that seems to have infected these churches that really upsets our sense of what is proper and meaningful in Christianity. A sense that these things cheapen it somehow. (Ironically, it was the trappings of Catholicism which similarly aggravated the more puritanical amongst our ancestors, and for similar reasons I think….)&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, I think E.D. is on to something here.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/11/mere-krustianity/#comment-22195</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Perplexed.  I&#039;m glad that this article was still open for comments, so that your good message could appear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Perplexed.  I&#8217;m glad that this article was still open for comments, so that your good message could appear.</p>
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		<title>By: Perplexed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perplexed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, dear. 

Christians shouldn&#039;t be so unkind to each other.

As is made clear in &quot;Dominus Iesus&quot; among other writings, the Catholic Church does consider Protestants to be Christians. In that document, which reserves the term &quot;churches&quot; for Catholicism and Orthodoxy and refers to Protestant denominations as &quot;ecclesial communities,&quot; those ecclesial communities are referred to in the context of &quot;divisions which exist among Christians.&quot;

Two thoughts on that:
1. Protestantism cannot represent a division among Christians unless Protestants are Christians. So the Catholic Church sees Protestants as Christians.
2. If I were Protestant, I would probably find the whole &quot;ecclesial communities&quot; thing irritating, even if it is unavoidable within the logic of Catholic ecclesiology. Since I&#039;m Catholic, I&#039;ll just try to soften the blow by giving Caleb permission to call me a &quot;Romanist&quot; if it makes him feel better. His prose is so beautiful, it&#039;s impossible to imagine getting mad at the guy, even if some of our ancestors did slaughter each other at the Boyne (hopefully they&#039;re all long since in Heaven by now, laughing about the whole business).

A thought on &quot;Krustianity&quot;:
I value a solemn (preferably Latin) liturgy myself. But if megachurches are providing people (be they the wretched of the Earth or the Babbitts of Zenith) with a more welcoming, close-knit community, and a more visceral, concrete experience of the presence of Christ in their life, then I pray that the Holy Spirit sends us in the liturgical churches the humility and courage to learn from all that&#039;s best in the megachurches. We Catholics spend far too much of our time being poorly catechized Sunday Christians who listen to a platitudinous homily about kindness, sing awful modern hymns, and then practically kill each other trying to be the first out of the parking lot so we can get home to our service of Mammon to have any grounds for lecturing Protestants about their churchmanship. Let&#039;s take care of the beam in our own eye, and let Protestants worry about their splinters themselves.

Caleb: You said John&#039;s distributism (with which I deeply sympathize) isn&#039;t likely to be achieved here in America by &quot;looking to Rome.&quot; How can Catholic localists like me work best with people rooted in the Republic&#039;s ancestral Protestant traditions to bring about a more local, more livable country for all of us? I also think that&#039;s a discussion worth having, and I&#039;d welcome your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, dear. </p>
<p>Christians shouldn&#8217;t be so unkind to each other.</p>
<p>As is made clear in &#8220;Dominus Iesus&#8221; among other writings, the Catholic Church does consider Protestants to be Christians. In that document, which reserves the term &#8220;churches&#8221; for Catholicism and Orthodoxy and refers to Protestant denominations as &#8220;ecclesial communities,&#8221; those ecclesial communities are referred to in the context of &#8220;divisions which exist among Christians.&#8221;</p>
<p>Two thoughts on that:<br />
1. Protestantism cannot represent a division among Christians unless Protestants are Christians. So the Catholic Church sees Protestants as Christians.<br />
2. If I were Protestant, I would probably find the whole &#8220;ecclesial communities&#8221; thing irritating, even if it is unavoidable within the logic of Catholic ecclesiology. Since I&#8217;m Catholic, I&#8217;ll just try to soften the blow by giving Caleb permission to call me a &#8220;Romanist&#8221; if it makes him feel better. His prose is so beautiful, it&#8217;s impossible to imagine getting mad at the guy, even if some of our ancestors did slaughter each other at the Boyne (hopefully they&#8217;re all long since in Heaven by now, laughing about the whole business).</p>
<p>A thought on &#8220;Krustianity&#8221;:<br />
I value a solemn (preferably Latin) liturgy myself. But if megachurches are providing people (be they the wretched of the Earth or the Babbitts of Zenith) with a more welcoming, close-knit community, and a more visceral, concrete experience of the presence of Christ in their life, then I pray that the Holy Spirit sends us in the liturgical churches the humility and courage to learn from all that&#8217;s best in the megachurches. We Catholics spend far too much of our time being poorly catechized Sunday Christians who listen to a platitudinous homily about kindness, sing awful modern hymns, and then practically kill each other trying to be the first out of the parking lot so we can get home to our service of Mammon to have any grounds for lecturing Protestants about their churchmanship. Let&#8217;s take care of the beam in our own eye, and let Protestants worry about their splinters themselves.</p>
<p>Caleb: You said John&#8217;s distributism (with which I deeply sympathize) isn&#8217;t likely to be achieved here in America by &#8220;looking to Rome.&#8221; How can Catholic localists like me work best with people rooted in the Republic&#8217;s ancestral Protestant traditions to bring about a more local, more livable country for all of us? I also think that&#8217;s a discussion worth having, and I&#8217;d welcome your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: And the Disciples Were Called Krustians First In &#8230; —Acts 11:26, RSV (Revised Suburban Version) &#124; Front Porch Republic</title>
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		<description>[...] a former treatise, O Theophilus, I suggested assigning a new name to certain expressions of Christianity. I made a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bruce Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case you hadn&#039;t noticed the the liberty-above-all ethic of lapsed Protestantism recently screwed itself on Wall Street!</description>
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		<title>By: V. Maro Grammaticus</title>
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		<description>The break-out of religious warfare on the Porch moves me to take up my halberd, don my &quot;I luv Torquemada&quot; t-shirt, and declare my unwavering fidelity to Rome, authority, tradition, and His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI. 

It also moves me to wonder what compromises a traditionalism rooted in Catholicism will have to make in a country so infused with the liberty-above-all ethic of Protestant populism in order to put forth a socio-political agenda that is both correct and plausible.

Or, how the devil do you reconcile git off my porch individualism with the sacramental view of order and authority put forth by &quot;throne-and-altar&quot; Catholics?

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<p>It also moves me to wonder what compromises a traditionalism rooted in Catholicism will have to make in a country so infused with the liberty-above-all ethic of Protestant populism in order to put forth a socio-political agenda that is both correct and plausible.</p>
<p>Or, how the devil do you reconcile git off my porch individualism with the sacramental view of order and authority put forth by &#8220;throne-and-altar&#8221; Catholics?</p>
<p>Do I sniff a defenestration of the Front Porch?</p>
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