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		<title>By: Mr. Piccolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Piccolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article, sir.  I recall hearing this bit about using precise language many times in class, and I agree with you.  Attempting to apply this to my writing has improved it to some degree, but I definitely have much room to improve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article, sir.  I recall hearing this bit about using precise language many times in class, and I agree with you.  Attempting to apply this to my writing has improved it to some degree, but I definitely have much room to improve.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed the cultural implications of your proposal. People should take time to invest in their communities and make them as strong as possible. I know I need to do some volunteer work in my community. However, I cannot assent with the political implications. I am more of a Unitarian in that I believe it is the role of the central government to protect its individuals from the peculiarities of localism - such as ensuring equal rights for homosexuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed the cultural implications of your proposal. People should take time to invest in their communities and make them as strong as possible. I know I need to do some volunteer work in my community. However, I cannot assent with the political implications. I am more of a Unitarian in that I believe it is the role of the central government to protect its individuals from the peculiarities of localism &#8211; such as ensuring equal rights for homosexuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen Surprenant</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/12/citizens-of-the-world-divide/#comment-24148</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristen Surprenant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 03:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you truly believed in being careful with the use of words, then why did you choose your title? After carefully reading your article, I do not believe your intention was to cause a divide(rift) amongst the people of the world, which is in fact what your title implies. It leads the reader to believe you wish our world to step back in time and create pockets of isolation. Kind of revisiting the Cold War Era. 

People do not have to be divided in order &quot;...to belong to a particular place, to a culture, to a story.&quot; Each individual does come from a unique place, is immersed in their own culture, and is the author of their story. It is the individual&#039;s right to either limit or expand the audience to which they choose to share their story with. To hinder this possibility, to create divides, is only to impede growth and progress. We gain ideas, inventions, innovations and so much more from interacting with other people, people who are different. If everyone was alike how boring would our lives truly be?

The term global citizen has been tossed around for many years now and does not have a unique definition; rather it is more of an idealistic concept of what could be when people reach out and explore other people&#039;s stories, cultures, and communities.

We make our friends. We make our enemies. God makes our neighbors.
G.K. Chesterton</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you truly believed in being careful with the use of words, then why did you choose your title? After carefully reading your article, I do not believe your intention was to cause a divide(rift) amongst the people of the world, which is in fact what your title implies. It leads the reader to believe you wish our world to step back in time and create pockets of isolation. Kind of revisiting the Cold War Era. </p>
<p>People do not have to be divided in order &#8220;&#8230;to belong to a particular place, to a culture, to a story.&#8221; Each individual does come from a unique place, is immersed in their own culture, and is the author of their story. It is the individual&#8217;s right to either limit or expand the audience to which they choose to share their story with. To hinder this possibility, to create divides, is only to impede growth and progress. We gain ideas, inventions, innovations and so much more from interacting with other people, people who are different. If everyone was alike how boring would our lives truly be?</p>
<p>The term global citizen has been tossed around for many years now and does not have a unique definition; rather it is more of an idealistic concept of what could be when people reach out and explore other people&#8217;s stories, cultures, and communities.</p>
<p>We make our friends. We make our enemies. God makes our neighbors.<br />
G.K. Chesterton</p>
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		<title>By: Ted V. McAllister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted V. McAllister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anxiousmodernman--you are welcome on my porch anytime.  I agree with your comments and believe, as I&#039;ve written in this essay and elsewhere, that our problems with language and definitions are crippling with regard to understanding and debating.  Sometimes elusive language conceals divisions and sometimes it conceals agreement, but at any rate in our time it is an enemy to meaningful discussion.  A front porch, a sense of humor, patience to let the conversation ebb and flow, and several stiff drinks--what else can a civilized people ask for in the early evening?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anxiousmodernman&#8211;you are welcome on my porch anytime.  I agree with your comments and believe, as I&#8217;ve written in this essay and elsewhere, that our problems with language and definitions are crippling with regard to understanding and debating.  Sometimes elusive language conceals divisions and sometimes it conceals agreement, but at any rate in our time it is an enemy to meaningful discussion.  A front porch, a sense of humor, patience to let the conversation ebb and flow, and several stiff drinks&#8211;what else can a civilized people ask for in the early evening?</p>
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		<title>By: anxiousmodernman</title>
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		<dc:creator>anxiousmodernman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I don&#039;t read FPR enough. It&#039;s been too long. For the record, I am one of those leftist philosophers who would love to have that long conversation with you on the porch about global citizenship. It is easy to imagine belonging to a community with you.

I like this post a lot. Here&#039;s a key notion:
&lt;i&gt;A prevailing trend of the modern world has been to create efficient administrative states that require relatively little, except taxes, from their citizens.  The isolating, atomizing tendencies of the modern administrative state and of globalized capitalism may foster unhealthy forms of community.&lt;/i&gt;

I would add that the prevailing &lt;i&gt;pleasures&lt;/i&gt; of us first-worlders are of the consumer variety, which demand little more than money from the individual (although it&#039;s often more than a &quot;little&quot; money!). In each case it seems that freedom and pleasure are equated with abdication of responsibility, lack of obligation. In each case we see money as a universal solvent.

On the Left, there&#039;s a lot of instinctive cringing at &quot;patriotism,&quot; but who could find fault with the definition you provide here: a love of place and a desire to improve it? Call me a patriot, then.

(But they had to call it the &quot;Patriot Act&quot;!)

Unfortunately, it&#039;s those definitions that trip us up. We learn most definitions from alienated discourses, not from serious intellectual engagement. In many cases we lack the very infrastructure for serious intellectual engagement. We lack the community to engage in. The point is not to find the &quot;true&quot; definition, but to simply &lt;i&gt;care&lt;/i&gt; about the definition, to take responsibility for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I don&#8217;t read FPR enough. It&#8217;s been too long. For the record, I am one of those leftist philosophers who would love to have that long conversation with you on the porch about global citizenship. It is easy to imagine belonging to a community with you.</p>
<p>I like this post a lot. Here&#8217;s a key notion:<br />
<i>A prevailing trend of the modern world has been to create efficient administrative states that require relatively little, except taxes, from their citizens.  The isolating, atomizing tendencies of the modern administrative state and of globalized capitalism may foster unhealthy forms of community.</i></p>
<p>I would add that the prevailing <i>pleasures</i> of us first-worlders are of the consumer variety, which demand little more than money from the individual (although it&#8217;s often more than a &#8220;little&#8221; money!). In each case it seems that freedom and pleasure are equated with abdication of responsibility, lack of obligation. In each case we see money as a universal solvent.</p>
<p>On the Left, there&#8217;s a lot of instinctive cringing at &#8220;patriotism,&#8221; but who could find fault with the definition you provide here: a love of place and a desire to improve it? Call me a patriot, then.</p>
<p>(But they had to call it the &#8220;Patriot Act&#8221;!)</p>
<p>Unfortunately, it&#8217;s those definitions that trip us up. We learn most definitions from alienated discourses, not from serious intellectual engagement. In many cases we lack the very infrastructure for serious intellectual engagement. We lack the community to engage in. The point is not to find the &#8220;true&#8221; definition, but to simply <i>care</i> about the definition, to take responsibility for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted V. McAllister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted V. McAllister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much depends on definitions and were I to operate with Somin&#039;s definitions then I would have to change the way I use the words.  So let me ask what the readers on the porch consider meaningful definitions of nationalism and patriotism.  To begin very simplistically, I&#039;ve accepted that a patriot is someone who loves his country because it is his. A patriot&#039;s love is not uncritical, but rather because he loves his country, he seeks to improve it, to reform it.  I tend to think that patriotism is likely to develop in Burke&#039;s &quot;little platoons,&quot; from which a person develops more attenuated affection for larger entities in which one&#039;s platoon is contextualized.  Nationalism is much less critical and is more extreme, less tied to complex affections.  A nationalist, in my view, is not likely to want to reform or improve.

Am I wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much depends on definitions and were I to operate with Somin&#8217;s definitions then I would have to change the way I use the words.  So let me ask what the readers on the porch consider meaningful definitions of nationalism and patriotism.  To begin very simplistically, I&#8217;ve accepted that a patriot is someone who loves his country because it is his. A patriot&#8217;s love is not uncritical, but rather because he loves his country, he seeks to improve it, to reform it.  I tend to think that patriotism is likely to develop in Burke&#8217;s &#8220;little platoons,&#8221; from which a person develops more attenuated affection for larger entities in which one&#8217;s platoon is contextualized.  Nationalism is much less critical and is more extreme, less tied to complex affections.  A nationalist, in my view, is not likely to want to reform or improve.</p>
<p>Am I wrong?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Church</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/12/citizens-of-the-world-divide/#comment-24112</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 03:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be a little clearer, the definitions referenced by Will Wilkinson and Jonah Goldberg are the ones Ilya Somin defines in the two posts &lt;a href=&quot;http://volokh.com/2009/12/01/against-nationalism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Against Nationalism&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://volokh.com/2009/12/02/on-patriotism/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;On Patriotism&lt;/a&gt;. Somin&#039;s definition of nationalism is &quot;loyalty to one’s own nation-state based on ties of language, culture, or ethnicity&quot; and his definition of patriotism is &quot;loyalty to one’s government and/or its ideals regardless of ethnic or racial identity.&quot;

As you say, &quot;The capacity to discriminate, to differentiate, to understand subtle distinctions is a necessary condition for judgment.&quot;
I do not think that you are being inconsistent, I think we&#039;re just starting from slightly different definitions of nationalism and patriotism. I&#039;m starting at mine and ending at yours. 

I also know that you do not advocate abstract ties to language, culture, or ethnicity, and I&#039;d have to think you would have problems with Somin&#039;s definition of patriotism as well. After all, loyalty to lofty ideals is far from loyalty based on habits and traditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be a little clearer, the definitions referenced by Will Wilkinson and Jonah Goldberg are the ones Ilya Somin defines in the two posts <a href="http://volokh.com/2009/12/01/against-nationalism/" rel="nofollow">Against Nationalism</a> and <a href="http://volokh.com/2009/12/02/on-patriotism/" rel="nofollow">On Patriotism</a>. Somin&#8217;s definition of nationalism is &#8220;loyalty to one’s own nation-state based on ties of language, culture, or ethnicity&#8221; and his definition of patriotism is &#8220;loyalty to one’s government and/or its ideals regardless of ethnic or racial identity.&#8221;</p>
<p>As you say, &#8220;The capacity to discriminate, to differentiate, to understand subtle distinctions is a necessary condition for judgment.&#8221;<br />
I do not think that you are being inconsistent, I think we&#8217;re just starting from slightly different definitions of nationalism and patriotism. I&#8217;m starting at mine and ending at yours. </p>
<p>I also know that you do not advocate abstract ties to language, culture, or ethnicity, and I&#8217;d have to think you would have problems with Somin&#8217;s definition of patriotism as well. After all, loyalty to lofty ideals is far from loyalty based on habits and traditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred E. Newman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfred E. Newman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On another note entirely, I especially liked the photographic illustration accompanying the essay: The world is in the eye of the beholder (?). Yes, everyone has a different slant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On another note entirely, I especially liked the photographic illustration accompanying the essay: The world is in the eye of the beholder (?). Yes, everyone has a different slant.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted V. McAllister</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/12/citizens-of-the-world-divide/#comment-24104</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted V. McAllister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,
I&#039;ve read the essay you referenced, but remain confused about the connections you see.  I am no friend of nationalism but believe that patriotism, properly understood, is a part of a healthy community.  Can you explain what it is that you think I&#039;m advocating...and where it is that I have been inconsistent with what I&#039;ve advocated before?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,<br />
I&#8217;ve read the essay you referenced, but remain confused about the connections you see.  I am no friend of nationalism but believe that patriotism, properly understood, is a part of a healthy community.  Can you explain what it is that you think I&#8217;m advocating&#8230;and where it is that I have been inconsistent with what I&#8217;ve advocated before?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Church</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Dr. McAllister advocating &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/12/04/a-little-more-mystic-nationalism/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+willwilkinson%2FVeUZ+%28The+Fly+Bottle%29&amp;utm_content=Google+Reader&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a little mystic nationalism?&lt;/a&gt; I never thought I&#039;d see the day...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Dr. McAllister advocating <a href="http://www.willwilkinson.net/flybottle/2009/12/04/a-little-more-mystic-nationalism/?utm_source=feedburner&amp;utm_medium=feed&amp;utm_campaign=Feed%3A+willwilkinson%2FVeUZ+%28The+Fly+Bottle%29&amp;utm_content=Google+Reader" rel="nofollow">a little mystic nationalism?</a> I never thought I&#8217;d see the day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wesley Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2009/12/citizens-of-the-world-divide/#comment-24093</link>
		<dc:creator>Wesley Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe we can creat healthy communities and gain peace and unity and still maintain spiritual meaning of all aspects of life. I don&#039;t believe that peace &amp; unity and spiritual meaning are forever exclusive from each other.
Mr. McAllister is correct in pointing out that healthy communities are where it all begins. However, I offer that they are a starting point and, maintained correctly, can lead to loftier goals, globally speaking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe we can creat healthy communities and gain peace and unity and still maintain spiritual meaning of all aspects of life. I don&#8217;t believe that peace &amp; unity and spiritual meaning are forever exclusive from each other.<br />
Mr. McAllister is correct in pointing out that healthy communities are where it all begins. However, I offer that they are a starting point and, maintained correctly, can lead to loftier goals, globally speaking.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted V. McAllister</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted V. McAllister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 16:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

The question begins with what makes for human flourishing.  In this case, to &quot;divide&quot; refers to belonging to something particular and to take pride in it the same way that one takes pride in anything that belongs to him--by seeking to preserve it and improve it.  

Peace is a laudable goal, but not the highest.  If we gain peace by vacating our lives of spiritual meaning, by losing the personal, cultural, and historical connections that remind us that we inhabit a story that is not primarily about ourselves, then we lose too much. No, the goal is not peace or unity, it is to support the very cultural resources that give our lives meaning beyond our self-interest, narrowly understood.  If we do not create healthy communities then it is likely that we will create very unhealthy ones that draw people together not by habit and custom, history and memory, but by ideology--cold, heartless, deracinating ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,</p>
<p>The question begins with what makes for human flourishing.  In this case, to &#8220;divide&#8221; refers to belonging to something particular and to take pride in it the same way that one takes pride in anything that belongs to him&#8211;by seeking to preserve it and improve it.  </p>
<p>Peace is a laudable goal, but not the highest.  If we gain peace by vacating our lives of spiritual meaning, by losing the personal, cultural, and historical connections that remind us that we inhabit a story that is not primarily about ourselves, then we lose too much. No, the goal is not peace or unity, it is to support the very cultural resources that give our lives meaning beyond our self-interest, narrowly understood.  If we do not create healthy communities then it is likely that we will create very unhealthy ones that draw people together not by habit and custom, history and memory, but by ideology&#8211;cold, heartless, deracinating ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: John Hanover</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hanover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last paragraph finally gets to the point. However, to teach division is only half the lesson. Teach pride and appreciation for one&#039;s own culture, place, and story, and how those things can benefit not only your neighborhood but beyond, but also teach that the ultimate &quot;global goal&quot; for humanity is to achieve peace and understanding through the very things that sometimes seem to divide us in a negative way. There is nothing wrong with division for the sake of humanity, as long as that division helps point the way to a unity that is hopefully deserving of this planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last paragraph finally gets to the point. However, to teach division is only half the lesson. Teach pride and appreciation for one&#8217;s own culture, place, and story, and how those things can benefit not only your neighborhood but beyond, but also teach that the ultimate &#8220;global goal&#8221; for humanity is to achieve peace and understanding through the very things that sometimes seem to divide us in a negative way. There is nothing wrong with division for the sake of humanity, as long as that division helps point the way to a unity that is hopefully deserving of this planet.</p>
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		<title>By: D.W. Sabin</title>
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		<dc:creator>D.W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>....prepare people for despotism&quot;...check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;.prepare people for despotism&#8221;&#8230;check.</p>
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		<title>By: Holiness is what is loved by all the gods. It is loved because it is holy, and not holy because it is loved</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holiness is what is loved by all the gods. It is loved because it is holy, and not holy because it is loved</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Citizens of the World, Divide! &#124; Front Porch Republic        Ethics [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ryan Davidson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Davidson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then they said, &#039;Come... let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be dispersed over the face of the whole earth.&#039; ...And the LORD said, &#039;Behold, they are one people, and they have all one language, and this is only the beginning of what they will do. And nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and there confuse their language, so that they may not understand one another’s speech.&#039; So the LORD dispersed them from there over the face of all the earth, and they left off building the city.&quot;</description>
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