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	<title>Comments on: Chalk One Up for Organic</title>
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		<title>By: John Gorentz</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Gorentz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 12:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still haven&#039;t gotten around to re-reading that Land Institute publication further, but it&#039;s really not a publication.    It&#039;s a pre-publication paper at best.   The web site you sent us to is called &quot;NaturePrecedings : Prepublication research and preliminary findings.&quot;

I doubt that paper would get very far as is if it went through the peer review process.   And I am not the only person who thinks the methodology is lacking.   There is a commenter who seems to know about these things who also says so.   

It&#039;s an important topic and it&#039;s good that the people are looking into all these factors that go into our efficiency calculations.   But you can&#039;t base very much in the way of sweeping conclusions on calculations taken on the management of a single 60ha farm in Kansas with only 20 of the 60ha in crops.  What they &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; accomplish with that is what they set out to do in the first place.   But this farm hardly represents &quot;Organic&quot; or anything else. 

That &quot;commuting&quot; factor still has me scratching my head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still haven&#8217;t gotten around to re-reading that Land Institute publication further, but it&#8217;s really not a publication.    It&#8217;s a pre-publication paper at best.   The web site you sent us to is called &#8220;NaturePrecedings : Prepublication research and preliminary findings.&#8221;</p>
<p>I doubt that paper would get very far as is if it went through the peer review process.   And I am not the only person who thinks the methodology is lacking.   There is a commenter who seems to know about these things who also says so.   </p>
<p>It&#8217;s an important topic and it&#8217;s good that the people are looking into all these factors that go into our efficiency calculations.   But you can&#8217;t base very much in the way of sweeping conclusions on calculations taken on the management of a single 60ha farm in Kansas with only 20 of the 60ha in crops.  What they <i>can</i> accomplish with that is what they set out to do in the first place.   But this farm hardly represents &#8220;Organic&#8221; or anything else. </p>
<p>That &#8220;commuting&#8221; factor still has me scratching my head.</p>
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		<title>By: John Gorentz</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Gorentz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 17:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of quick comments on the study, which I was reading with my lunch.  I hope to be able to study it more later.  

The study doesn&#039;t seem to compare organic farms with other agriculture so much as it compares one particular 60 ha organic farm with other agriculture.   

That item about energy for commuting has me especially puzzled.  How is that a comparison between organic and non-organic farming?   If it really is something intrinsically related to organic, it&#039;s an interesting topic in itself.   But I haven&#039;t found the connection yet.    

(Related research on these topics is  done by a lot of people at my workplace.  In fact, I think one of the new people down the hall worked at the Land Institute before coming here.)   

BTW (and this is somewhat off-topic, but I like an excuse to point it out) I am old enough to remember the days when it was the right-wing kooks rather than the left-wing ones who were the organic growers and all-around environmentalists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of quick comments on the study, which I was reading with my lunch.  I hope to be able to study it more later.  </p>
<p>The study doesn&#8217;t seem to compare organic farms with other agriculture so much as it compares one particular 60 ha organic farm with other agriculture.   </p>
<p>That item about energy for commuting has me especially puzzled.  How is that a comparison between organic and non-organic farming?   If it really is something intrinsically related to organic, it&#8217;s an interesting topic in itself.   But I haven&#8217;t found the connection yet.    </p>
<p>(Related research on these topics is  done by a lot of people at my workplace.  In fact, I think one of the new people down the hall worked at the Land Institute before coming here.)   </p>
<p>BTW (and this is somewhat off-topic, but I like an excuse to point it out) I am old enough to remember the days when it was the right-wing kooks rather than the left-wing ones who were the organic growers and all-around environmentalists.</p>
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		<title>By: Artie</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/05/chalk-one-up-for-organic/#comment-42280</link>
		<dc:creator>Artie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 13:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All agriculture was organic until 150 years ago. It seems only natural to assume that all agriculture will be organic again, once it becomes too expensive or problematic to rely on cheap imported oil to get our transcontinental and transoceanic foodstuffs. 

Do we really want to rely on coal plants or nuclear reactors to produce nitrogen based fertilizers and electric tractors? I can&#039;t see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All agriculture was organic until 150 years ago. It seems only natural to assume that all agriculture will be organic again, once it becomes too expensive or problematic to rely on cheap imported oil to get our transcontinental and transoceanic foodstuffs. </p>
<p>Do we really want to rely on coal plants or nuclear reactors to produce nitrogen based fertilizers and electric tractors? I can&#8217;t see it.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine Dalton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katherine Dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 11:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good questions, but beyond the scope of this study.  This was a look at energy use in the production of food--once known as farming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good questions, but beyond the scope of this study.  This was a look at energy use in the production of food&#8211;once known as farming.</p>
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		<title>By: John Médaille</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Médaille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 03:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the study include the distribution side? When dealing with the transcontinental cabbage, grown in Washington and consumed in Texas, the energy and other costs must be considered. Another line of inquiry is whether the energy consumed is equal to the calories produced.</description>
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