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		<title>By: Aaron Dial</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/05/the-narrows-of-the-hassayampa/#comment-82675</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Dial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 07:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful piece, makes me realize how long it&#039;s been since I&#039;ve experienced the quiet that pushes all that flotsam and jetsam of information out of your head...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful piece, makes me realize how long it&#8217;s been since I&#8217;ve experienced the quiet that pushes all that flotsam and jetsam of information out of your head&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Willson</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/05/the-narrows-of-the-hassayampa/#comment-44379</link>
		<dc:creator>John Willson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 May 2010 15:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy,

I used to say to my former boss that if you&#039;ve seen one mountain, you&#039;ve seen them all, and I thought that way about the desert until my (then very, very young) wife and I lived in Wyoming for a year.  The west you describe is, well, the west.

Most people don&#039;t understand how spectacular and arresting the Finger Lakes of western NY are, or the hill country of western Pennsylvania.  Those places are my &quot;stump,&quot; as Andrew Nelson Lytle put it.  Elijah Miller, who was unfortunate enough to become the father-in-law of William Henry Seward, WALKED from Albany to help found Auburn, NY in the early 1790s.  His journal of that hike is beyond even what James Fenimore Cooper describes in The Pioneers (which created the only true American literary character--even Abbey kept copying Natty Bumppo).  Walking alone, seventeen years old, through the Iroquois Nation, over one big hill after another and coming upon beautiful blue-green lakes that get to over 600 feet deep.

I&#039;m going to write about him--the man of the wilderness who also tamed it so that there were relatively few women living in single wides with double men who might pose interesting problems for other hikers; then again, my relatives in McKean County PA know which hills and gaps not to venture into.

Great writing, Jeremy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy,</p>
<p>I used to say to my former boss that if you&#8217;ve seen one mountain, you&#8217;ve seen them all, and I thought that way about the desert until my (then very, very young) wife and I lived in Wyoming for a year.  The west you describe is, well, the west.</p>
<p>Most people don&#8217;t understand how spectacular and arresting the Finger Lakes of western NY are, or the hill country of western Pennsylvania.  Those places are my &#8220;stump,&#8221; as Andrew Nelson Lytle put it.  Elijah Miller, who was unfortunate enough to become the father-in-law of William Henry Seward, WALKED from Albany to help found Auburn, NY in the early 1790s.  His journal of that hike is beyond even what James Fenimore Cooper describes in The Pioneers (which created the only true American literary character&#8211;even Abbey kept copying Natty Bumppo).  Walking alone, seventeen years old, through the Iroquois Nation, over one big hill after another and coming upon beautiful blue-green lakes that get to over 600 feet deep.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to write about him&#8211;the man of the wilderness who also tamed it so that there were relatively few women living in single wides with double men who might pose interesting problems for other hikers; then again, my relatives in McKean County PA know which hills and gaps not to venture into.</p>
<p>Great writing, Jeremy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Beer</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/05/the-narrows-of-the-hassayampa/#comment-42053</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Beer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 15:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon, I am with you. If I recall correctly, Aldo Leopold&#039;s definition of wilderness was a parcel of land that took two weeks to cross with pack horses. No wilderness area in Arizona fits that description. But when you&#039;re out in &#039;em, most of &#039;em feel plenty big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon, I am with you. If I recall correctly, Aldo Leopold&#8217;s definition of wilderness was a parcel of land that took two weeks to cross with pack horses. No wilderness area in Arizona fits that description. But when you&#8217;re out in &#8216;em, most of &#8216;em feel plenty big.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 13:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree wholeheartedly. Anyone who thinks federal (public) land ownership and protection is too big-government can move to Texas, and stay there! The only quibble I have is I wished they hadn&#039;t used the word &quot;wilderness&quot; so trivially. In the lower 48 we hardly know what wilderness is. To call a few thousand acres wilderness is to destroy the word -- one definition I heard that sounded good was that a wilderness area should take you multiple days to get to the center of. We have very few, if any, of those in the lower 48. The problem comes when those who oppose protected areas grab all the statistics of so-called &quot;wilderness&quot; areas and then exclaim that we have too much already! (And don&#039;t get me started on the barbed wire fences criss-crossing the &quot;wilderness&quot; areas!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree wholeheartedly. Anyone who thinks federal (public) land ownership and protection is too big-government can move to Texas, and stay there! The only quibble I have is I wished they hadn&#8217;t used the word &#8220;wilderness&#8221; so trivially. In the lower 48 we hardly know what wilderness is. To call a few thousand acres wilderness is to destroy the word &#8212; one definition I heard that sounded good was that a wilderness area should take you multiple days to get to the center of. We have very few, if any, of those in the lower 48. The problem comes when those who oppose protected areas grab all the statistics of so-called &#8220;wilderness&#8221; areas and then exclaim that we have too much already! (And don&#8217;t get me started on the barbed wire fences criss-crossing the &#8220;wilderness&#8221; areas!)</p>
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		<title>By: D.W. Sabin</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/05/the-narrows-of-the-hassayampa/#comment-41857</link>
		<dc:creator>D.W. Sabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 13:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... &quot;Geology by day, astronomy by night&quot;...the best description of the desert I&#039;ve seen yet...

I&#039;m not sure I can fully agree with Kreeft that it is &quot;ignorance in the face of nature&quot; that gives those attuned to the &quot;natural&quot; world the many pleasures she coughs up. Sure, the mysteries are richly there but they are not the more suspect mysteries of mankind on the make. Personally, when I&#039;m out in either the slickrock or eastern woodlands, clarity comes to me with far less static than in the man-created world. The desert is the most fecund in this regard. Her &quot;xeric profundities&quot; are a long and wide furrow. The patterns emerge , present time and past epochs are revealed in stark contrast, the right-ordered scales and interdependencies of myriad forms of life come front and center and the idea of &quot;Right &quot; and &quot;Wrong&quot; recede quickly, to be replaced by simply what is. Man elevates his hidebound sense of order and profit above the seemingly hostile chaos of the natural world, impervious to the black comedy that our order is a squalid and niggardly essay in petulant, grubbing chaos when compared against the poetic pentameter of .....not the &quot;natural world&quot; but...dammit to hell....THE world, us included.

We&#039;ve set her apart so we can beat her to hell. Call me a Romantic but beating up that which is lovely and is in the business of birthing is exhibit one in our perennially best selling form of suicide: Hubris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; &#8220;Geology by day, astronomy by night&#8221;&#8230;the best description of the desert I&#8217;ve seen yet&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I can fully agree with Kreeft that it is &#8220;ignorance in the face of nature&#8221; that gives those attuned to the &#8220;natural&#8221; world the many pleasures she coughs up. Sure, the mysteries are richly there but they are not the more suspect mysteries of mankind on the make. Personally, when I&#8217;m out in either the slickrock or eastern woodlands, clarity comes to me with far less static than in the man-created world. The desert is the most fecund in this regard. Her &#8220;xeric profundities&#8221; are a long and wide furrow. The patterns emerge , present time and past epochs are revealed in stark contrast, the right-ordered scales and interdependencies of myriad forms of life come front and center and the idea of &#8220;Right &#8221; and &#8220;Wrong&#8221; recede quickly, to be replaced by simply what is. Man elevates his hidebound sense of order and profit above the seemingly hostile chaos of the natural world, impervious to the black comedy that our order is a squalid and niggardly essay in petulant, grubbing chaos when compared against the poetic pentameter of &#8230;..not the &#8220;natural world&#8221; but&#8230;dammit to hell&#8230;.THE world, us included.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve set her apart so we can beat her to hell. Call me a Romantic but beating up that which is lovely and is in the business of birthing is exhibit one in our perennially best selling form of suicide: Hubris.</p>
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		<title>By: P.D.H.</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/05/the-narrows-of-the-hassayampa/#comment-41687</link>
		<dc:creator>P.D.H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 18:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J.B., This well done, thought-provoking, and lots of fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J.B., This well done, thought-provoking, and lots of fun.</p>
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		<title>By: jacobus</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/05/the-narrows-of-the-hassayampa/#comment-41667</link>
		<dc:creator>jacobus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 16:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope you didn&#039;t drink from the Hassayampa, the old Buckeye hicks (some of whom are unfortunate enough to count me as kin) say that one swallow makes you incapable of telling the truth.  I&#039;m not sure if filters or iodine tablets can change that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope you didn&#8217;t drink from the Hassayampa, the old Buckeye hicks (some of whom are unfortunate enough to count me as kin) say that one swallow makes you incapable of telling the truth.  I&#8217;m not sure if filters or iodine tablets can change that.</p>
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		<title>By: brierrabbit3030</title>
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		<dc:creator>brierrabbit3030</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 14:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i grew up in southern Arizona. and like you, i love the fact that so much of the state was put in to protected zones. My experiences has always been that if you don&#039;t, sooner or later the developers always ruin it. Capitalism has done many useful things, but it never knows how, or when to say &quot;No, I won&#039;t build, mine,or pollute here today, This is better as it is&quot; Arizona would probably have started to look like California... my soul shivers...
It does around Phoenix though. And the mogollon rim country, now there&#039;s a fine memory or two....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i grew up in southern Arizona. and like you, i love the fact that so much of the state was put in to protected zones. My experiences has always been that if you don&#8217;t, sooner or later the developers always ruin it. Capitalism has done many useful things, but it never knows how, or when to say &#8220;No, I won&#8217;t build, mine,or pollute here today, This is better as it is&#8221; Arizona would probably have started to look like California&#8230; my soul shivers&#8230;<br />
It does around Phoenix though. And the mogollon rim country, now there&#8217;s a fine memory or two&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Kauffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Kauffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 13:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terrific piece, Jeremy. &quot;He may even have low self-esteem&quot;: great line!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terrific piece, Jeremy. &#8220;He may even have low self-esteem&#8221;: great line!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 11:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good choice not going after that generator, JB.  My only rule is:  don&#039;t retrieve stolen goods from any woman who lives with both her husband and her ex-husband.  Unpleasantries are likely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good choice not going after that generator, JB.  My only rule is:  don&#8217;t retrieve stolen goods from any woman who lives with both her husband and her ex-husband.  Unpleasantries are likely.</p>
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