<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Preserving Local Memory</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/06/preserving-local-memory/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/06/preserving-local-memory/</link>
	<description>Place. Limits. Liberty.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:38:46 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Doug Sangster</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/06/preserving-local-memory/#comment-50647</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Sangster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=11147#comment-50647</guid>
		<description>Rob: Ever listen to the audio magazine, Mars Hill Audio? Terrific interviews about topics like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob: Ever listen to the audio magazine, Mars Hill Audio? Terrific interviews about topics like this.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rob G</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/06/preserving-local-memory/#comment-50644</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=11147#comment-50644</guid>
		<description>&quot;I have long thought that the more connected we become electronically, the more distant we become personally&quot;

For a great study along these lines, see Dale Allison&#039;s little book &quot;The Luminous Dusk&quot; (an earlier version was called &quot;The Silence of Angels&quot;).  He looks at such things as the ubiquity of artificial light and noise and the modern lack of a sense of wonder, which distance us from the natural world and from each other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have long thought that the more connected we become electronically, the more distant we become personally&#8221;</p>
<p>For a great study along these lines, see Dale Allison&#8217;s little book &#8220;The Luminous Dusk&#8221; (an earlier version was called &#8220;The Silence of Angels&#8221;).  He looks at such things as the ubiquity of artificial light and noise and the modern lack of a sense of wonder, which distance us from the natural world and from each other.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Doug Sangster</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/06/preserving-local-memory/#comment-50631</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Sangster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 13:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=11147#comment-50631</guid>
		<description>Camille, I have long thought that the more connected we become electronically, the more distant we become personally. Considering the arid condition you and Borgmann describe above, it&#039;s little wonder we crave genuine community. Thanks for your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Camille, I have long thought that the more connected we become electronically, the more distant we become personally. Considering the arid condition you and Borgmann describe above, it&#8217;s little wonder we crave genuine community. Thanks for your post.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Camille Josey</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/06/preserving-local-memory/#comment-50512</link>
		<dc:creator>Camille Josey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2010 01:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=11147#comment-50512</guid>
		<description>Doug:
I have similar memories: of a washtub on four legs, wringer on top, taking up a large part of my own grandmother&#039;s back porch. And I remember dinner tables laden with food and the family (mom, dad, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins) gathered not just for the eating, but in meal preparation, followed by the meal itself flavored with lingering conversations. 

Philosopher Albert Borgmann (Power Failure) talks about &quot;focal things&quot; vs. technological &quot;devices&quot; ... he speaks of the leisurely meal which you and I recollect from our grandmothers&#039; homes as a &quot;focal thing.&quot; The meal required shopping at the market, conversations with the grocer, then various members of the family gathered in the kitchen as we chopped and mixed and baked and fried, children who participated in the process by setting the table and hanging around the kitchen to lick the batters and sneak a taste, and then the splashing and play as we cleaned up afterwards. The whole process promoted conversations and the interaction that take place as a result of the &quot;focal thing.&quot; A technological &quot;device&quot; on the other hand is meant to maximize efficiency and eliminate all of the prep work - ready-made meals, for example, and the microwave oven. One of the central characteristics of a &quot;device&quot;, says Borgmann, is that it unburdens us from all of that time-consuming work of shopping and meal preparation. What devices rob us of, Borgmann contends, are the &quot;focal practices&quot; demanded by &quot;focal things&quot; - the routine ways in which we engage the larger world in our daily lives.

In my own immediate family, meals were sacrosanct. No matter what, we were to be home for dinner time. Some of my fondest memories of childhood are from meals that would last 2 hours or more as my father and mother caught up on what was going on in our lives (and there was a lot of catching up with seven children), when Dad would challenge us with new words to spell and define, or offer a prize to the first to build a motor, or solve a math puzzle (always elaborate word problems). When we gather as a family we still linger in preparation and in conversation around the dinner table. 

Several years ago I remember a public service announcement encouraging parents to gather their children for dinner once a week - and nearly weeping at the poverty of that picture. I am not a luddite (far from it). But we must pay more attention to the things we give up for the sake of the convenience brought by those technological &quot;devices.&quot; Rites of passage (and the communities that live them), are more important than mere convenience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug:<br />
I have similar memories: of a washtub on four legs, wringer on top, taking up a large part of my own grandmother&#8217;s back porch. And I remember dinner tables laden with food and the family (mom, dad, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins) gathered not just for the eating, but in meal preparation, followed by the meal itself flavored with lingering conversations. </p>
<p>Philosopher Albert Borgmann (Power Failure) talks about &#8220;focal things&#8221; vs. technological &#8220;devices&#8221; &#8230; he speaks of the leisurely meal which you and I recollect from our grandmothers&#8217; homes as a &#8220;focal thing.&#8221; The meal required shopping at the market, conversations with the grocer, then various members of the family gathered in the kitchen as we chopped and mixed and baked and fried, children who participated in the process by setting the table and hanging around the kitchen to lick the batters and sneak a taste, and then the splashing and play as we cleaned up afterwards. The whole process promoted conversations and the interaction that take place as a result of the &#8220;focal thing.&#8221; A technological &#8220;device&#8221; on the other hand is meant to maximize efficiency and eliminate all of the prep work &#8211; ready-made meals, for example, and the microwave oven. One of the central characteristics of a &#8220;device&#8221;, says Borgmann, is that it unburdens us from all of that time-consuming work of shopping and meal preparation. What devices rob us of, Borgmann contends, are the &#8220;focal practices&#8221; demanded by &#8220;focal things&#8221; &#8211; the routine ways in which we engage the larger world in our daily lives.</p>
<p>In my own immediate family, meals were sacrosanct. No matter what, we were to be home for dinner time. Some of my fondest memories of childhood are from meals that would last 2 hours or more as my father and mother caught up on what was going on in our lives (and there was a lot of catching up with seven children), when Dad would challenge us with new words to spell and define, or offer a prize to the first to build a motor, or solve a math puzzle (always elaborate word problems). When we gather as a family we still linger in preparation and in conversation around the dinner table. </p>
<p>Several years ago I remember a public service announcement encouraging parents to gather their children for dinner once a week &#8211; and nearly weeping at the poverty of that picture. I am not a luddite (far from it). But we must pay more attention to the things we give up for the sake of the convenience brought by those technological &#8220;devices.&#8221; Rites of passage (and the communities that live them), are more important than mere convenience.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Doug Sangster</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/06/preserving-local-memory/#comment-50457</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Sangster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 19:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=11147#comment-50457</guid>
		<description>&quot;Everyone was always there as if it were impossible for them to be anywhere else.&quot;

Your post blessed me, and made me pine all the more for genuine community, David. Volumes are written in the line above. Before I visit your site I have to ask, have you read Wendell Berry?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Everyone was always there as if it were impossible for them to be anywhere else.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your post blessed me, and made me pine all the more for genuine community, David. Volumes are written in the line above. Before I visit your site I have to ask, have you read Wendell Berry?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jenni</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/06/preserving-local-memory/#comment-50443</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 18:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=11147#comment-50443</guid>
		<description>What a lovely article, Fr. Doug! So well done and beautiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a lovely article, Fr. Doug! So well done and beautiful.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/06/preserving-local-memory/#comment-50430</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=11147#comment-50430</guid>
		<description>When I was young, I was lucky enough to be the child of two parents who were both the eldest of several. I knew my great-grandparents (on both sides briefly) and all my grandparents (through high school), 4th of July, Thanksgiving, Christmas at least (often more times) we could have more than 25 people in our house (from both sides).

Everyone was always there as if it were impossible for them to be anywhere else. A rare illness struck, but was never over cause for concern. Everyone said that for about 30 years there, the family Churched together, recreated/vacationed together and was probably never more than 35 mins apart.

And then the wind blew it all away. Folks died, moved, converted to different churches, busied themselves endlessly with nothing, married, got divorced. By the time my own son passed away from cancer a couple of years ago, no one could even make it to the funeral.

My wife and I sometimes sit in our living room, feeling like Adam and Eve. The only people in the world, starting all over. Dislocated from Eden and barred by swords of flame. Breaks my heart in a way that whiskey can&#039;t fix.

Thank you for writing this today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was young, I was lucky enough to be the child of two parents who were both the eldest of several. I knew my great-grandparents (on both sides briefly) and all my grandparents (through high school), 4th of July, Thanksgiving, Christmas at least (often more times) we could have more than 25 people in our house (from both sides).</p>
<p>Everyone was always there as if it were impossible for them to be anywhere else. A rare illness struck, but was never over cause for concern. Everyone said that for about 30 years there, the family Churched together, recreated/vacationed together and was probably never more than 35 mins apart.</p>
<p>And then the wind blew it all away. Folks died, moved, converted to different churches, busied themselves endlessly with nothing, married, got divorced. By the time my own son passed away from cancer a couple of years ago, no one could even make it to the funeral.</p>
<p>My wife and I sometimes sit in our living room, feeling like Adam and Eve. The only people in the world, starting all over. Dislocated from Eden and barred by swords of flame. Breaks my heart in a way that whiskey can&#8217;t fix.</p>
<p>Thank you for writing this today.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jordan Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/06/preserving-local-memory/#comment-50429</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordan Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=11147#comment-50429</guid>
		<description>Great contribution. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great contribution. Thank you.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: John Médaille</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/06/preserving-local-memory/#comment-50426</link>
		<dc:creator>John Médaille</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 16:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=11147#comment-50426</guid>
		<description>Doug, I too remember my mother&#039;s wringer wash-tub which tells you how old I am. What I chiefly remember is playing around with it and getting my hand caught in the wringer. More frightening than painful. We had just moved from New York City to Los Angeles, and the washing machine (along with the rented house, rather than an apartment) was just one of those mod-cons that Californians seemed to have in abundance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, I too remember my mother&#8217;s wringer wash-tub which tells you how old I am. What I chiefly remember is playing around with it and getting my hand caught in the wringer. More frightening than painful. We had just moved from New York City to Los Angeles, and the washing machine (along with the rented house, rather than an apartment) was just one of those mod-cons that Californians seemed to have in abundance.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Doug Sangster</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/06/preserving-local-memory/#comment-50411</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Sangster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=11147#comment-50411</guid>
		<description>Matt, while I have not experienced what you are going through, I have heard the story so many times I feel as I though I have. I yearn and pine for the day when all Anglicans are of one fold, confessing the same faith. God bless you in the journey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, while I have not experienced what you are going through, I have heard the story so many times I feel as I though I have. I yearn and pine for the day when all Anglicans are of one fold, confessing the same faith. God bless you in the journey.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Doug Sangster</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/06/preserving-local-memory/#comment-50409</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Sangster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 13:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=11147#comment-50409</guid>
		<description>These are exquisite lines Seth. Thanks for sharing them. Do I detect an appreciation for Wendell Berry in your post?

&quot;I make to it an annual visit I carry my children to it and teach them the hardships endured by the generations which have gone before them. I love to dwell on the tender recollections, the kindred ties, the early affections and the touching narratives and incidents which mingle with all I know of this primitive family abode.  he name of my posterity be blotted forever from the memory of mankind!”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are exquisite lines Seth. Thanks for sharing them. Do I detect an appreciation for Wendell Berry in your post?</p>
<p>&#8220;I make to it an annual visit I carry my children to it and teach them the hardships endured by the generations which have gone before them. I love to dwell on the tender recollections, the kindred ties, the early affections and the touching narratives and incidents which mingle with all I know of this primitive family abode.  he name of my posterity be blotted forever from the memory of mankind!”</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mark Perkins</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/06/preserving-local-memory/#comment-50374</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Perkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 09:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=11147#comment-50374</guid>
		<description>This is beautiful.

(I am also Anglican, though I am at the moment attending a relatively conservative Episcopal parish.  I spend every Sunday weighing whether I can continue going.  By the fall, I hope to be at a traditional parish using the &#039;28).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is beautiful.</p>
<p>(I am also Anglican, though I am at the moment attending a relatively conservative Episcopal parish.  I spend every Sunday weighing whether I can continue going.  By the fall, I hope to be at a traditional parish using the &#8217;28).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Seth</title>
		<link>http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/2010/06/preserving-local-memory/#comment-50339</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2010 06:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/?p=11147#comment-50339</guid>
		<description>Thank you for this Fr. Sangster.  I am also a traditional Anglican keeping &quot;the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints&quot; and believe this faith (love,charity) is demonstrated most obviously in our relations with others, especially with our family.  In the long list of destructive habits of post-modern Economic Man, the abandonment of familial/ancestral ties might very well be the most frightening.  The system by which Americans are &quot;educated&quot; is completely dependent on leaving the family home and hometown to be loaded with debt and brainwashed to love the trivial toys of a morally bankrupt wasteland.  Your story brings to light the oft-forgotten pain and suffering of those who know how to love.  

Read the first four paragraphs at this link to see what the &quot;log cabin&quot; came to mean in relation to this discussion over 100 years ago.  Daniel Webster&#039;s opening quotation is especially relevant: http://www.daytonhistorybooks.com/page/page/1571350.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this Fr. Sangster.  I am also a traditional Anglican keeping &#8220;the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints&#8221; and believe this faith (love,charity) is demonstrated most obviously in our relations with others, especially with our family.  In the long list of destructive habits of post-modern Economic Man, the abandonment of familial/ancestral ties might very well be the most frightening.  The system by which Americans are &#8220;educated&#8221; is completely dependent on leaving the family home and hometown to be loaded with debt and brainwashed to love the trivial toys of a morally bankrupt wasteland.  Your story brings to light the oft-forgotten pain and suffering of those who know how to love.  </p>
<p>Read the first four paragraphs at this link to see what the &#8220;log cabin&#8221; came to mean in relation to this discussion over 100 years ago.  Daniel Webster&#8217;s opening quotation is especially relevant: <a href="http://www.daytonhistorybooks.com/page/page/1571350.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.daytonhistorybooks.com/page/page/1571350.htm</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

