The Future of Democracy in America

by Patrick J. Deneen on May 26, 2011 · 17 comments <span>Print this article</span> Print this article

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This week I have been lecturing at the Ignatianum Academy in Krakow, Poland. It has been a marvelous experience thus far, including time spent in the classroom with bright students, as well as evenings spent dining with wonderful new and old friends in this beautiful city.

Last night I was invited to deliver a public lecture on the subject of “The Future of Democracy in America.” While I don’t break any new ground here (well, I never really break new ground – I just go over ground that seems less trodden these days), the talk was well-received, and I post it here for those who may be interested.


The Future of American Democracy
Ignatianum Academy
Krakow, Poland
May 25, 2011

I am very grateful to be with you tonight, and deeply honored by your presence. I have been deeply moved by this ancient city, with its rich history, its tragedies and its triumphs, its stunning beauty, and particularly by the piety of its people. To see the churches here in the heart of Europe filled with worshippers, and the many signs of Poland’s special devotion to the Virgin Mother and the great joy that has accompanied the beatification of the Blessed Pope John Paul II, has been very hope-giving.

I have been invited to speak to you about the “future of democracy in America,” a daunting topic, and one that may deserve a question mark at the end of the title. There are, of course, many particular issues pertaining to contemporary politics that must be of interest to you – particularly in light of an impending visit by President Obama to your country at week’s end, and the increased discussions of another upcoming election for the Presidency. I expect I may disappoint some of you by failing to address some of these pressing questions of the day – but you are to blame for inviting a political philosopher to speak to you, rather than a journalist. I would like rather to discuss some questions that pertain to the nature of democracy itself, and to ask whether even today America is “democratic” in certain important respects. I am fearful that it may becoming less democratic every passing day – as I understand that word – which is why I suggest that a question mark is needed at the end of the title of my remarks, “The Future of Democracy in America?”

I. Two Kinds of Liberty

Let me begin at the beginning – with Aristotle, of course. In Book 6 of his great work, The Politics, we find the only time he describes the principle of democracy to be liberty, and provides two understandings of liberty by which democracies can be guided. The first way in which liberty can be manifested in democracy echoes Aristotle’s consistent definition of citizenship, which he describes numerous times in the Politics as “ruling and being ruled in turn.” By this definition, liberty is a form of self-rule, the sharing in rule by citizens in which one is ruled by laws that are self-made. This is a special definition of liberty, calling upon the widespread presence of virtues that are required by self-government, including moderation, prudence, and justice. To be “ruled and be ruled in turn” is also to live in understanding of Aristotle’s great and hard teaching, that “man is by nature a political animal,” that we are only fully human when we live in political communities in which we learn to govern our basest impulses and aspire to attain our human telos, our end, to the greatest extent possible. By this definition, democracy is the most idealistic regime of all, the one that aspires to the greatest possible extension of virtue to all citizens; but, by this same definition, it is also most demanding and perhaps least achievable, since it requires a special set of circumstances, above all a special kind of schooling in citizenship, that permit the widespread flourishing of the arts and practice of self-government.

The other way in which the principle of liberty manifests itself is what Aristotle describes as the ability “to live as one likes,” for, he notes that some democrats say that it is preferable “to be ruled by none, or if this is impossible, to be ruled and rule in turn.” Outwardly this form of liberty can look the same as the first version of democracy – for, it involves the appearance of ruling and being ruled in turn. But its principle of liberty is not based upon the embrace of self-rule, especially citizenship, as the essence of liberty, but instead the acceptance of the appearance of rule as a second-best option. Aristotle describes a situation in which, by this second understanding of liberty, our deepest desire is to “live as one likes,” which, for the ancients, is the very definition of tyranny. However, realizing that no one of us can achieve the condition of all-powerful tyrant, we agree instead to the second-best option of living under democratic forms. In such a condition, we outwardly exhibit the appearance of citizenship, but such democrats harbor a deeper desire to “live as one likes.” Such democrats have the souls of tyrants.

Aristotle’s distinction is worth keeping in mind, because today most democracies are liberal democracies, and thus, have the principle of liberty at their heart. However, liberal democracies are often content to fudge the difference between the two definitions, and often implicitly accept the second definition of liberty to be fundamental. America is a nation that is a perfect portrait of the tension between these two definitions. It was founded first by Puritans who articulated almost verbatim Aristotle’s first definition of liberty. This was the founding of America so admired by Alexis de Tocqueville during his visit to the United States in the early 1800’s, who in Chapter 2 of the first volume of Democracy in America quoted these lines from one of America’s earliest Puritan intellectuals, Cotton Mather:

I would not have you mistake your understanding of liberty. There is a liberty of corrupt nature, which is affected both by men and beasts, to do as they want. This liberty is inconsistent with authority and impatient of all restraint. This liberty is the grand enemy of truth and peace, and all the ordinances of God are bent against it. But there is another form of liberty, a civil, a moral, a federal liberty, which is the proper end of all authority. It is the liberty for that only which is just and good, and for this idea of liberty you are to stand with the hazard of your very lives. (I.ii.42).

Tocqueville noted that this understanding of liberty informed the practices of the citizens in the townships of New England, even long after the dissolution of the closed and confining Puritan communities of the 1600s. By the time Tocqueville visited America, he witnessed this kind of liberty – the practice of “ruling and being ruled in turn” – in vibrant forms of local self-governance throughout New England. He wrote that what he saw there was an admirable combination of “the spirit of liberty” and “the spirit of religion,” one in which the spirit of liberty was moderated by the truth of our condition under God, and in which religion supported the practices of political liberty. Tocqueville admired especially the spirit of common good that pervaded the New England townships and the rich fabric of associations that populated civil society. He praised these forms of “local freedom” and especially the educative force of active civic engagement which, he wrote, drew people “from the midst of their individual interests, and from time to time, torn away from the sight of themselves.” Through what he called “the arts of association,” citizens were “brought closer to one another, despite the instincts that separate them, and brought them to aid each other.” He called the local townships and associations “the great schools” of democracy, inculcating a spirit of healthy democratic orientation toward a common good. Through civic life – that ancient practice of “ruling and being ruled in turn” – Tocqueville observed that democratic citizens “learn to submit their will to that of all the others and to subordinate their particular efforts to the common action.” Through the activity of political life, he wrote, “the heart is enlarged.”

If America was founded according to a spirit of liberty that encouraged the practice of Aristotle’s first understanding of democracy, centered especially on the practice of self-government among citizens, America also had a subsequent Founding in which the second understanding of liberty dominated. This is the Founding that drew especially upon the understanding of the social contract philosophy of John Locke, and informs the core documents of the American government such as the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. According to Locke, by nature human beings are born free into a State of Nature in which law and government are absent. Our natural condition is one of complete freedom and lawlessness, and only in order to escape the “inconveniences” of the State of Nature do we form a contract and abridge our natural freedom. To live under government and law is a second-best option: the first best option would be for everyone else to abide by the terms of the social contract while I would be free to transgress against those terms. But, being informed by reason as well as constrained by law, we abide by the terms of the contract in spite of our inner desire to “live as we like.”

By this Lockeian understanding, government exists only to secure our rights and to advance our individual freedom. It does not seek to foster conditions in which our souls are educated in self-government, and thus Locke – following Hobbes – rejects the ancient idea that there is a summum bonum or a finis ultimus. We are authorized to define our own conception of the good (or to reject the idea of any such conception), and the role and purpose of government is to provide the conditions, as far as possible within the bounds of civil peace, that allow the full flourishing of individual freedom. Thus, while law is most fundamentally an unnatural imposition on our natural freedom, increasingly under such a government, the law will be increasingly oriented to expanding the sphere of personal liberty. Citizenship as a practice of self-rule is replaced by a definition of democracy dominated by a belief in personal freedom and autonomy. The only shared belief is that individual freedom should be expanded to the greatest extent possible, and government becomes charged with providing the conditions for that expansion.

Unsurprisingly, there is a tension if not outright contradiction between these two understandings of liberty. For the first, liberty to “live as one likes” is a contradiction to the idea of liberty in conformity with a conception of the human good. Its libertarian leanings, stressing the choices of individuals, proves destructive to the institutions and practices that are essential to an education in ordered liberty. The second understanding of liberty understands the first to be illiberal, based upon a conception of human good that confines the liberty of individuals to choose their own life-style. It demands liberation from the confines of restraining customs and laws, arguing that individuals should have the fullest freedom possible to chart their own life path. Yet, as contradictory as these two understandings of liberty are, they have both deeply informed the American self-understanding. They combined in a powerful coalition during the Cold War especially, presenting a common front against the collectivism and atheism of Communism, which they both opposed for different reasons. They have co-existed, if uneasily, for much of American history, perhaps in even salutary ways restraining the excesses of the one while correcting the other’s deficiencies. But, much evidence today suggests that they are undergoing a long-term divorce.

II. The Great Divorce

What Tocqueville describes in Democracy in America is the co-existence of these two forms of liberty, but predicts a slow but steady advance of the second understanding of liberty – “the live as one likes”- in place of the first, “ruling and being ruled in turn.” If he sees great evidence of civic practices in America of the 1830s, he also detects tendencies in democracy that will incline it, over the long term, toward an understanding of liberty in which people will seek to “live as they like.” He predicts the rise of individualism and the decline of civic engagement and mutual responsibility for the fate of fellow citizens, and, as a consequence, foresees the rise of a centralizing State that will take on many of the functions and duties that would once have been part of local practice. Many recent studies of American civic life seem to confirm Tocqueville’s prescient conclusions. Studies ranging from books such as Robert Bellah’s Habits of the Heart to more recent books on civic participation and American religion by Robert Putnam confirm that Americans have become more individualistic and self-oriented over time. At the same time, Americans have become less prone to be engaged in the activities of civic life and regard such activities to be interferences on their individual freedom. By one measure then, we are “more democratic” – more free to pursue our individual ends. By another measure, we are less democratic, less apt not only to participate in civic life, but less willing to entertain the idea of a common good and to moderate our self-interest in the spirit of common weal. There are fewer and fewer informal spaces in which the civic art of “ruling and being ruled in turn” can be trained and exercised. And, as Aristotle would observe, without practice, civic virtues will atrophy and weaken.

Tocqueville also warns Americans that they are self-deceived if they believe that democracy can survive if it defines itself in an increasingly exclusive way as “living as one likes.” Americans, he suggests, come to take for granted their inheritance of practices and institutions in which the civic arts can be learned and exercised. However, without consciously attending to their continuation, over time they will be weakened and abandoned in favor of individualism and “living as one likes.” Today we see growing evidence of weakening relationships and ties throughout American society, from bonds of community and neighborhood, to the ties of family life, to declining religious adherence. Many of those ties are today discarded or abandoned in the belief that they restrain individual freedom, but what is neglected is the way that their presence has been the necessary training ground on which the arts of civic self-rule were learned. Their abandonment – in the name of democratic freedom – today imperils democracy itself. In the name of individual freedom, we increasingly abandon the aspiration of self-rule.

For this reason, Americans must be confronted with a difficult question: is it possible that its victory in the Cold War over the great threat of Collectivism may yet prove to be a pyhrric victory, if it be the case only two decades later we see growing signs that American society is no longer capable of self-government? Was the health of liberal democracy over-stated in comparison to its vicious 20th-century ideological rivals, with its own inherent weaknesses today coming more fully into view? I believe the great challenges now facing the United States – economic, political, social and otherwise – are more than merely a passing crisis, but are manifestations of this deeper question whether a democracy based upon the ideal of “living as one likes” can survive. Evidence of the ruins of this belief are all around us. In our financial crisis we see the evidence of a set of behaviors in which greed and self-interest dominated a concern for the common weal. In our current debt crisis we see evidence of the way in which our obligations to future generations have been traded for today’s comforts. In our growing partisan divide we see the expression of raw interest that neglects our greater civic obligation to seek out the common good. In our high levels of divorce and the practices of serial monogamy, we see evidence of a self-serving definition of our most central relationships. In our massive over-consumption of resources we see evidence of selfishness that neglects the consequences of our actions upon the globe and upon future generations. I could go on.

III. The Parties Today

What would fascinate Tocqueville the most about America today is not only the evidence of the truth of his predictions, but how there persists at least a residue of the older understanding that democracy requires for us to “rule and be ruled in turn.” In our two political parties we see evidence of both definitions of democracy, the on-going presence of the internal contradiction that has been present in America from its earliest moments. In our Democratic Party – the party of President Obama – there are two simultaneous tendencies. There is, on the one hand, the belief that concerning lifestyle choices – especially regarding matters of human sexuality – there should be no limits upon personal and individual autonomy. This Party especially has become the party that defends nearly unlimited access to abortions, as well as advancing a re-definition of marriage away from its grounding upon the union of one-man – one woman. This Party denounces and even ridicules arguments about the need to promote the traditional values that sustain family life and a culture of modesty and self-restraint. At the same time, this Party also calls for restraints upon the Market, arguing that free markets encourage the vices of greed, produce indefensible forms of inequality, and lead to the degradation of the environment. In a speech given two years ago at Georgetown University, President Obama cited the gospel of Matthew, chapter 7, verses 24-28, calling for America and the globe to build the economy not upon sand, but upon rock that could withstand the rains and floods. When it comes to economics and the environment, the Democratic Party cites the Bible to encourage an embrace of morality, but in personal choices of lifestyle, the Bible’s admonitions are wholly rejected.

Alternatively, our Republican Party – which in recent elections took over the lower house of Congress – defends personal morality, particularly pertaining to family life and sexual matters. The Republican party has opposed the license to obtain abortions without limit, and has tirelessly sought limitations upon its practice. For this reason, for many decades many Catholics switched their historic allegiance from the Democratic Party to the Republicans, though their vote has recently tended to be closely divided. The Republican party has promoted policies that they argue support “family values,” including encouraging the support of traditional marriage, encouraging the formation and maintenance of families, and seeking policies that favor a moralization of society. At the same time, they have tirelessly defended an unfettered free market system that places greed, acquisitiveness and materialism at the heart of its endeavors, that encourages hedonism and the sexualization of our popular culture, and which has produced titanic levels of material inequality in our nation.

I think it is fair to say that at the heart of each of these parties is a self-contradiction, an incoherence at least in theory. However, I would argue, too, that this contradiction has tended to be resolved in practice in favor of that form of liberty that promotes a culture of “living as one likes.” While the Republican Party has been successful in promoting a free market system, they have not been very successful in their encouragement of their program in “family values.” And, while Democrats have been successful in advancing the cause of freedom in personal lifestyle choice, they have been less successful in advancing a moralization of the economic system. In each case, the “Lockeian” part of their agenda has undermined the “Aristotelian” part of their platform. And, in practice, the Republican promotion of unbridled free markets has led to the undermining of family stability, while the Democratic promotion of unbridled personal freedom has encouraged a broader hedonism that informs our economic lives. To “live as we like” increasingly undermines the institutions and practices that train us to “rule and be ruled in turn.”

On this point, I believe Poland can be of great assistance to the future of democracy in America and the world. For, at the end of the twentieth-century, it was leaders in the Solidarity movement and Pope John Paul II who articulated the argument that the true choice facing the world was not between collectivism, on the one hand, and radical individualism, on the other, but between a true and false understanding of the human anthropology – human nature. This is a false dichotomy that Americans have come to accept over the years, even though neither party fully accepts the terms of the debate. America remains imperfectly a nation of Lockeians, tending as the years pass to dissolve the institutions and practices that chasten the tendency to “live as one likes” and promote the practice of “ruling and being ruled in turn,” showing evidence of becoming more individualistic in our practice with each passing year. The future of democracy, in America and everywhere, depends on correcting this tendency toward a flawed definition of democracy, and re-learning the ancient art of “ruling and being ruled in turn.”

{ 17 comments… read them below or add one }

avatar G. Koefoed May 26, 2011 at 5:28 am

A very clear, concise, and compelling articulation of the state of American society and the underlying philosophical questions that are the real issue.

avatar C R Wiley May 26, 2011 at 7:09 am

Excellent summary — I’m passing it along.

avatar Jack May 26, 2011 at 10:10 am

Thank you Patrick Deneen! Your blog continues to educate me in ways that the elite private liberal arts college I graduated from refused to do.

avatar Dom Watkins May 27, 2011 at 2:42 pm

Very nice

avatar curtins May 28, 2011 at 3:12 pm

professor- the analysis of our current political parties is spot on. great piece.

avatar JonF May 29, 2011 at 7:01 am

Very few people, in any part of the political spectrum, think we should just “live as we like”. That would be anarchism and I see no danger of it becoming the governing philosophy of this country.
Another virtue preached (if not practiced) by the Greeks and advised by Aristotle was expressed by ΜΗΔΕΝ ΑΓΑΝ, Nothing In Excess, and that should certianly apply in matters of governance. Do we really need laws governing all aspects of human existence? Of course not! But that urge is also present in our body politic, and it also began with the Puritans, who made laws against witchcraft, blasphemy, heresy and all sorts of minor pecadillos in the (mistaken) belief they could found the New Jerusalem in the here and so now and save Our Lord the trouble. And of course the same urge, with or without the religious underpinning, is alive and well in contemporary America, from people who wish to legislate against others’ love lives, to people who wish to ban the expression of opinions they do not find acceptable.
In short, I do not find the danger of too much liberty is much a problem here. We have plenty of folk, across the field, wishing to limit it.

avatar John May 29, 2011 at 3:57 pm

This piece is not even worthy of being called “tripe.”

The Democratic Party has never “denounce[d] and even ridicule[d] arguments about the need to promote the traditional values that sustain family life and a culture of modesty and self-restraint.”

The Democratic Party has done nothing but promote such values. For example, nothing is more important to sustaining family life than access to education, health care, and good paying jobs.

The attack on family life and a culture of modesty and self-restraint has come form the right with worships greed, wealth, the rich, and powerful. 30 years ago the Republicans released the twin forces of tax cuts and de-industrialization (globalization) on America.

Only a fool believes that legal rights for a minority affects one’s own family life or culture.

As taxes on the rich have declined, at the same time deficits have ballooned, investment in the United States has dropped, incomes have stagnated, and income inequality has blow the top off of our society.

The force at work has been FAC discounting, well and often explained by Robert Dugger, economist, which re-enforces the worst trends of globalization. FAC discounting is explained below

Bush II’s presidency was marked by the closure of 59,000 +/- US Manufacturing plants. No society can right off this kind of investment or lost productivity.

FAC Discounting: Fiscal adjustment cost (FAC) discounting describes how company executives and investment fund managers assess the effects of fiscal adjustments on company balance sheets and earnings. FAC discounting provides
insights into how large fiscal imbalances impair economic growth and says Congress must absolutely avoid
gridlock and government shutdowns.
4. FAC discounting occurs when executives and investors begin to anticipate the effects of tax changes and deficit spending on company net worth and profits. In effect, they begin to treat long-term fiscal shortfalls as present-value off-balance sheet liabilities.
5. A company’s FAC liability is a kind of fiscal mortgage. The size of each company’s FAC liability reflects how dependent it is on the old unsustainable framework of government contracting, spending and taxing. In the long-term, eliminating fiscal shortfalls is almost certainly good for all companies. In the near and medium term, however, the net worth and profits of many companies will be hurt by necessary spending cuts and revenue increases.
6. In general, as projected fiscal shortfalls rise, fiscal adjustment costs (FACs) become more important in company executive and investor decision-making. When projected shortfalls become worrisomely large and politics become polarized, executives and investors take protective actions. These actions depend on the size of the fiscal imbalance, the degree of company dependence on the unsustainable fiscal framework, the time
span in which the framework must be corrected, and the strength of executive and investor expectations.
7. Company protective actions include reducing domestic investment and hoarding cash. Companies hoard cash
to be able to ride out the fiscal adjustment and take advantage of new opportunities when the adjustment is completed. Protective cash hoarding and investment reductions stunt domestic economic growth, job creation, and human and physical capital investment.

avatar @john May 30, 2011 at 6:08 am

John, Have you ever eaten tripe? It’s really quite good…unlike your assertion that the democratic party is the bastion of family values. If the democrats had their way there would be very few families to whom you can give education, health care, jobs etc (because as we all know, republicans are staunchly against all of those things) because, last I checked, you need children to make a family, indeed, to sustain the human race and we’ve lost 1/3 of a generation thanks to those oh-so-generous benefactors of the democratic party in the abortion industry.

avatar curtins May 30, 2011 at 6:10 am
avatar JonF May 30, 2011 at 7:08 pm

Re: we’ve lost 1/3 of a generation thanks to those oh-so-generous benefactors of the democratic party in the abortion industry.

How many of those children would have been conceived if there had been no Roe vs Wade? Very few of them I suspect. People would have been more diligent about using birth control, and in more than a few instances they would not have had sex at all (or at least not gone all the way).

Re: Bush II’s presidency was marked by the closure of 59,000 +/- US Manufacturing plants.

I would really like to see that documented. I have trouble believing we had even 10% that number of manufacturing plants (actually factories, not household craft workers) in the whole country.

avatar Carl Eric Scott June 1, 2011 at 12:15 pm

It’s old ground, but you’ve used it to craft a beautiful speech, one of your best writings in memory, a pithy presentation of basic McWilliams-ism. Given such beauty and such rhetorically effective symetry, my few quibbles about part III, rooted in my conviction that one of our parties is clearly the lesser of two evils, become unworthy to mention. This is a good meal for the Poles, and for us.

avatar Rob G June 2, 2011 at 7:50 am

Patrick, it seems to be obvious that there’s a connection between the “live as one likes” idea you mention and the “have it your way” mentality of modern America. The sexual libertinism of the Left and the corresponding economic libertinism of the Right are related, and this is something that the latter desperately needs to face up to. This piece is a timely step forward in that direction.

Along these lines I’d also highly recommend to all this article by Edward Skidelsky from last month’s First Things:

avatar D.W. Sabin June 2, 2011 at 12:49 pm

Hubris invited Morality over for dinner and promptly ate it.
Suffering indigestion, Hubris blames their discomfit upon the spoiled nature of the morality it done et.

Speechless after mastication, Morality can only offer up gaseous irruption and does so with alacrity. Nonetheless, Hubris recovers and looks for new victims because, well, this is what Hubris does, particularly whence exceptional.

avatar David Nicholls June 15, 2011 at 5:28 pm

Perhaps relevant or overlapping thought:

I think what often passes for “living as one likes” is more like being enslaved by pleasures, probably more so in the USA than anywhere else but in all capitalist states, including mine, New Zealand. Hardly what I would call “liberty”.

In psychological terms a person can be said to be free when they are rational, reasonable, in a calm, even serine, mood. Strong positive or negative emotions can overide our rationality. For instance, psychologists sometimes tell us the real battle with a bully is in your head, if you keep your cool, your “head”, and avoid being swept away with emotion like them, you will be prevail, be able to outsmart them.

But it also goes the other way, a scrumptious slice of pizza just an elevator ride away can also overcome your rationality. Both pizza and bulllies can kill you and usually need to be resisted or ignored in the name of psychological liberty.

Modern corporatism specialises in overwhelming the consumer with ever more irresistable and convenient pleasures.

I don’t know, but I suspect the calm, rational person will invaribly be able to see serving the interests of the whole is the real path to fulfullment.


avatar bart van lieshout June 16, 2011 at 1:03 pm

very clear explanation of the american system! Interesting read for Europeans who only get to see your democratic system on the news in cases of scandals and elections (they often seem to coincide).

avatar Kori M January 18, 2012 at 9:28 pm

Read this today and enjoyed every line of thought – they were spot-on. Would it be acceptable to share this with another discussion group? There will be a link to this location. Thank you.

avatar Leslie Piper March 30, 2012 at 1:56 pm

Thanks. In forty or more so years of mainly-self-employed activism, ie, ‘hanging out with political types and campaigning’… democrats have NEVER been as sexually free and pro-hedonistic as I, frankly, would have preferred. Never have I lusted so unsuccessfully as on Democratic campaigns, and at Congress level, too, where you’d think the hotties would be slamming. Maybe I just came to the game too late, but you’d think seniority in sensualism would count. But no…all they want you to do is seduce the voters. At that, horny works better. Methinks your mouth, sir, outweighs your actual experience. Nonetheless, your writing’s virtuous.

In spite of my lusy record with dems, I’ve been seduced by Reeps. They’re so inculcated with this ‘rank and status’ mentality that all you need to do is act like an aware human and they think you are superior…and then they suck up awhile, and you think they like you, when they just are rolling over to get their belly scratched, anything to placate you…you might hurt them…outwardly with good respectful manners, but underneath, neo-confederate atavists, probably carrying Neandertal genes with a gun tucked somewhere about their husband’s pants…dangerous game, that. Not for the faint of heart, and not for ordinary Democrats, either.

As an ancient American who thought that being civicly involved somehow compensated for my inability as a family man and father…and thus I stayed in politics and interest groups a long time, somehow it got out of our sense of a people after ww2 that we were a social people. I blame television, although radio wasn’t all that good a deal for civics, either. Everybody telling the same jokes, and millions getting the massage treatment all at once, hypnotized by the Fireside Chats…?

And when our citizens were convinced that there was no difference between governing and running a business, that’s where the corruption can complete itself. If you think ‘government should be run like a business’, follow me here, this isn’t really an abrupt jump…you’re already working at the Company Store, and all your possibilities are set by a corporation…and currently, the main corporations clearly AREN’T Democratically American in values. I see great problems because we don’t have enough capable individuals with the ‘social sense’ to themselves oversee the country as it needs, and YET be fair and just even to the class of people who would reduce all others…including themselves…to levels of chattel slavery. You don’t learn that in business. You learn some of it in the military, with a good education thrown in, and maybe just a touch of real judeo-greco-roman ethics in there…but I worry where such Golden Ones, as Plato called them…come from any more…follow me again, please: I’ll say it twice…once we threw the concepts of fairness and justice out the window in a value system of ‘everything for sale’…everything has its price…and what, sir, keeps YOU from being regarded as a thing? I’m pining for people who can articulate ‘fairness, and justice, and second chances, people who understand that our equality of opportunity and our mutual responsibilities are linked, you ARE your brothers’ keeper, that we either are a team or differing opposing teams will form and some will continue to sell out the country’s assets and its people for personal profit, they will continue to buy our for-sale institutions, our elected and judicial representatives…until the penduluum, if that’s what it is, returns on its trajectory. With the legal methods of redress sewed up by the far righties, I would look for the swings to be extra-legal and perhaps extremely forceful and focused….resulting in my personal hopes of Nuremburg-type trials for the world-affecting financial criminals who with impunity have stolen assets from every human on earth…just spread it around a bit. Master-robbers. Supreme in their crafts. We’ll see if they can rule now…or will they just continue to gut the goose that lays the Golden Eggs, and wonder why it dies on them? or realizes its fate and turns on about 1% of them?

Ravings this side of the Atlantic, bro. All the Demos I know are far better family types than you evidently believe. The Reeps all aspire to be Arnie Swartzenegger.
Lie, cheat, steal. Make it legal, get the fix in, steal the money. Contemporary Republicans.

But maybe we ought to look at the idea of “taking turns”? Once in a while, shouldn’t you go back to the start of the line? Because your daddy had a seat on the stock exchange, if you really had the ‘right stuff’ you’d go to the back of the line, wouldn’t you? Real kings do that all the time, bullies just pile up advantage. Bears make money, bulls make money, but the 1%? Hogs get slaughtered…I look for exciting times in America over the next few years…and thanks VERY much for your post. I will read others. And you bet I will digest and use your very useful arguments at the very next moment I can, iron sharpeneth iron, thank you very much.

What’s your take on utilitarianism? you put any stock in it? your house catches fire, you want my hose? climb out of the ivory tower a minute…you’re excellent there. What kind of guy are you if I get a flat, and I’m old? should I have put on a uniform for you when I was young, and paid something forward? or was that all twaddle, there’s no such thing as honor? you ever do the right thing for a brother or maybe even a sister? if there’s no price on it, and you can’t get anything by keeping a secret, ie, telling lies to the market…then what’s the value, right?

If you want social continuance, you must celebrate martyrs to the highest and best values you have…it seems to me that the so-called conservatives in this country have actually CREATED more martyrs. They should celebrate a lot, there might not be a lot of time left.

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